• explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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    12 days ago

    If nobody wants to clean the shower, then it’s not the administration’s problem if grime starts to build up on it.

    Some of these examples amount to de facto collective punishment by introducing a tragedy of the commons.

    “The new arrival didn’t clean up the ancient infested shower of disease, so she too consents to never getting a shower.”

    Paying some prisoner a pittance to clean the shower every week would be insignificant compared to the cost of containing them. And it reduces the incentive for a gang to privatize the showers.

    Let’s not experiment on clever new prison ideas. Let’s just copy Finland.

    • NateNate60@lemmy.world
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      12 days ago

      I’m somewhat confident that the social punishment will be enough to prevent it from getting to that point, and there will still be housekeeping work assignments, just not “do it or we throw you in the hole for a week”. More likely, refusal to do the housekeeping work will result in loss of the ability to perform paid work. In the worst-case scenario, if someone refuses to do it, administration can find a willing volunteer, pay them, and then charge whoever was supposed to do it for the cost of paying another prisoner to do it.

      And there is also the possibility of offering a carrot as well. Well-behaved prisoners are more likely to earn parole or early release; that much is already true and known. But it could be supplemented with some minor incentives of insignificant cost, like saying that if the chores are all done then there will be popcorn and a movie at the end of the week or they’ll put an Xbox in the day room for an afternoon, and anyone who decided to skip out can’t participate.

      At least from what I’ve heard about former prisoners posting online after their release, most are happy to work anyway, especially if there is a monetary incentive, since after a while the boredom of doing nothing all day will apparently get to you. It’s not like they have a gaming PC to use if they’re not working.

      Regarding the problem of gangs, it seems to be the case that administration is always aware but chooses to tolerate them because it would require more manpower and… administrative integrity than is available to stop.

      The Nordic model is definitely the most successful but there doesn’t seem to be enough political appetite to get it implemented so it isn’t a realistic suggestion.