Here bro, for your next tweet: . . . . . . . .
Spend them wisely
Okey, I get it now. That was funny, it just took reading the other comments first.
Just was at the grocery store. Was joking around with cashier, he and the bag boy talked about the ad playing over the loudspeakers about avocados from Mexico. They seemed nice. He finishes ringing me up and I groan. He says he’s really looking forward to prices coming down in the next four years. I started laughing at him, saying that’s not how tariffs work and that we’re all fucked.
What a wonderful day in the neighborhood.
He says he’s really looking forward to prices coming down in the next four years.
Even absent the tariffs, its crazy to think prices will be coming down under a government that loves the idea of price gouging and speculation.
Oh jeez, even if it isn’t true, “It’s okay, I’ll be able to afford the price increase no matter what. Best of luck to you though.” is the best possible response to anyone convinced that tariffs are a good idea.
Just agree with them and say “I don’t mind paying 2, 3, even 4 times as much for groceries and other household items if it teaches China a lesson. Elon said we were going to need to make sacrifices to do this.”
Make sacrifices AND learn to endure some hardship under Trump.
One thing I’ve learned is that Kamela Harris needed to just play a PSA explaining why the hell a Tarrif is.
I have a neighbor who voted for Trump. He relies on aspects of medicaid, to get insulin, that the GOP have directly targeted for removal from what it will cover. I told him this, he didn’t believe me. So I showed him it in writing from a GOP source. He said that Trump will find some way for people like him to get their insulin. They just want this particular way gone because it’s a bad method. I even pointed out that there was zero discussion of changing these policies, to make them more sensible, or anything like that, just an outline that they plan on stopping that coverage. He just doubled down that he won’t be abandoned, they aren’t just getting rid of the coverage, they are getting rid of THAT SPECIFIC WAY OF DOING IT because it is inefficient, or whatever.
If you explained that tariffs would hurt their income, and employment, in a way they understood, they would just assume there was something being cooked up to make sure that didn’t happen. Now that all the manufacturing companies, here, are demonstrating that there will be big losses of profit margin, and cutting compensation to workers, they are mad. However, I personally doubt they will stay mad, or mad enough, or that they won’t just end up blaming Joe Biden for it.
Before now, these programs didn’t get cut because of the checks and balances of our government. They probably think this presidency will be like the 45th. Those protections are gone and a lot of people are going to suffer and die because of it.
Those protections are gone and a lot of people are going to suffer and die because of it.
Yup. We gave all the keys to the kingdom to the crazies and we’re about to find out how bad of a choice that was.
And honestly, I couldn’t care less how much Americans suffer now. That part of me is gone. We asked for it and now we’re going to get it. Time to learn the hard way. Not that we’re going to learn.
I care. I live here.
I used to. Now I realize what’s coming is inevitable.
I applaud your optimism and support you in what I believe is a worthwhile, but ultimately futile endeavor. Good luck.
It doesn’t matter how much conservatives suffer from conservative policy. They will ALWAYS find someone to blame but themselves. Hell, there are parts of our country that feel like 3rd world countries when you drive through them that have been voting Republican exclusively for generations and they still don’t understand why their lives suck so much.
There are parts of the country who’s poverty level, and access to utilities, medical care, etc., literally is third world. Northern WV has a lot of that, for instances. There are whole towns without plumbing, paved roads, electricity, etc. People living in shacks, no education, no reasonable way to leave.
Yup.
You’d think suffering would lead people to vote more responsibly. But I guess it has the opposite effect. I guess maybe their lives are such shit that what’s coming isn’t going to make their lives much worse. But it certainly won’t make them better.
I don’t understand humans, they keep putting their hands on the stove and making fun of people who don’t do that, all while wondering why their hands hurt.
God, if only it was that easy.
These people will willfully forget the lesson within a day so they can go back to bootlicking.
That’s a generous timeline.
Yeah, usually they only feign dull surprise for the duration of the conversation.
The issue is you can’t teach someone who not only doesn’t want to learn, they react in opposition to the idea of understanding anything outside of emotional reactions.
That’s where cult deprogramming comes into play. There are people who specialize in getting people out of that kind of mindset your argument describes. The rest of us need to do our part and educate, even if it doesn’t always have the impact we hope in the moment.
There are people who specialize in getting people out of that kind of mindset your argument describes.
We have enough of those people to do this for the majority of Americans?
The rest of us need to do our part and educate
I love your optimism. But it just won’t work. We now know the majority of Americans are ignorant and uninterested in learning, even from mistakes. You can present these people with facts and stats and infallible logic all day long and it won’t make a difference.
We gleefully voted in a convicted felon and rapist who ALREADY had a failed presidency and openly talked about being anti-union and anti-worker rights who stated on national television that he had the concept of plans.
The only direction this society is going is down.
We have enough of those people to do this for the majority of Americans?
Only one way to find out.
Pessimism may feel true, but just because something feels true doesn’t make it true.
No one knows the future. But if we don’t learn from out mistakes, it’s likely we will keep making them.
But if we don’t learn from out mistakes
We already haven’t.
it’s likely we will keep making them.
We already have.
It isn’t just that we failed a test. We failed the most obvious test we could have possibly been given. This was the most blatant decision we’re ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes. And we utterfly failed.
We already haven’t.
It’s a week since election day.
We already have.
It’s a week since election day.
This was the most blatant decision we’re ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes.
This was the most blatant decision we’re ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes so far.
It’s a week since election day.
You don’t understand. We ALREADY tried the Trump thing and it failed miserably. We aren’t even done living with the negative effects of that experience. We have one of the most poignant examples in history of what creeping fascism/authoritarianism can lead to. There are people still alive today that can tell us about it.
We don’t listen. We don’t learn.
This was the most blatant decision we’re ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes so far.
We’re doubtful to ever experience a more black and white election than what we just experienced. And we still managed to fail.
Wouldn’t have helped. Learning isn’t what Americans do. Americans like finding things to be mad about and then making decisions based on their emotional responses.
Can’t fix stupid without massively improving the public education system, and stupid Americans just elected the guys that ran on deconstructing the public education system.
We’re done.
Your first paragraph isn’t even an exaggeration. The worst part for me about being around conservative relatives and acquaintances is the negativity. They are addicted to anger and outrage and jealousy. They are always complaining about something or talking about things that other people have or how much money they make.
Yup.
I’ve never met a conservative that argued in good faith, had actual solutions to problems, or had their priorities straight.
It’s all about hate and fear. All about making up imaginary scenarios to be mad about to justify persecuting others.
And now their dream team is in total control. There’s literally no future under these circumstances that ends well.
We’re in for a long period of decline and it’s going to be rough. Especially on the younger crowd. But hey, they helped give this election to Republicans, so now they get to reap what they sow.
People wouldn’t listen, because they’ve been pre-programmed to believe Harris is a liar.
What’s more, Harris wouldn’t say this, because it would require her to take a position favorable to global trade, a thing her target voter base hates.
Pandering to conservatives wasn’t going to win her the election because she changed her rhetoric.
Well the part about the neighbors not how tariffs work is believable. I have lost count of how many people just think china had to send us money directly to us.
And it’s been part of the conversation for the better party of a decade. There’s zero excuse for the level of ignorance of some people.
Yeah, but it’s seemingly what donvict believes about tariffs. Also, donvict seems to think that “trade deficit” means China owes us something.
No way… Right?
Being flooded with an unending tide of conflicting and emotionally draining information and/or misinformation will do that to someone.
Information overload will either make you withdraw entirely or retreat to your favourite echo chamber.
“So, are you going to pay out of pocket for college now?”
“No, I’m getting student loans.”
“Do you know what department in the federal government does student loans? The department of education, which Trump is going to get rid of.”
“Damn it!”
“It won’t happen. And if it does, it’s the Democrats’ fault.”
Yeah, that’s one of the new narratives. “Trump won’t be that bad. He lies all the time.”
They’ll just say the loans should be privatized. Because it turned out great last time we gave private companies free reign to swindle vulnerable populations into signing massive loans for societal necessities.
They’re not at the damn it phase yet. They’re still at the trigger the libs phase.
What are all the stages of Leopards ate my face?
Not sure, but I guarantee the final one isn’t acceptance.
It’s like the five stages of grief but with not knowing what the consequences of voting against your interests are.
1 - Gloating
2 - Hubris
3 - Denial
4 - Doubt
5 - Leopards ate my face
After seeing the characters the clown-elect is picking for his circus, I already see stages 2, 3 and 4, with some dim stragglers still at 1.
/r/thathappened
/c/thathappened
While I despise the reminder that reddit exists, I also appreciate the depth of information you’re communicating with this simple post.
absolutely not buying corporate garbage made in this country anymore. I’ll fucking import a kei truck, I don’t care.
Yeah we’re stocking up on everything we can now, so we can tighten our belts and hopefully save some money over the next few years, but also not directly give the oligarchs any more of our money. I’ve been researching local and woman owned businesses that I’d like to support for the necessities, and thankfully our grocery store is a local chain. I have a friend who is offering to make basic clothing, including underwear, in exchange for childcare, eggs, and produce. People around here are going to get creative and it’s actually giving me some hope that things won’t be as bad as we think.
Out of curiosity, what things are you stocking up on?
It’s a long list but here’s a comment I shared in another thread that might give you an idea: https://lemmy.world/comment/13394779
If you want our actual list just let me know and I can message you this evening. But it’s 2 handwritten pages 😬
Great list to start and points me in the right direction. We have two toddler and a new baby who came 10 weeks early so he’s in the nicu. Trying to get things for them as well as us and our two dogs. Good to know, thanks for the info
I want a Honda Stepwagon or Toyota Hiace.
This election proved that there are a lot of dumb-asses that need to go back to school to take U.S. Government, Civics, and Economics because they didn’t learn it the first time, or they never had to take them to graduate high school. Seriously, why in the f#ck would you entrust the economy to a dumbf#ck who bankrupted TWO casinos!! The freaking business model, of a casino, is people walk in, then over the course of two to four hours hand you all their money and then leave. You REALLY have to be a dumbf#ck to fail at that.
Americans are even dumber than that.
A few weeks before the election Donald Trump and Elon Musk had a little circle jerk podcast interview with each other. They spent time talking about how anti-union they are and how much they hate worker’s rights. Then working class Americans went out in droves and voted for those two rich assholes who openly talked about wishing workers had less rights.
We made a guy who was the first president in U.S. history to stand on a picket line with striking workers step down because he was old. Then we hired another equally old rich guy who openly talks about wishing workers had less rights.
That’s how stupid Americans are. And this election showed us that the majority of Americans are that stupid. When a majority of a society is that stupid, there are no happy endings. We’re set for a period of long decline.
Yes, I remember the reports on that podcast. (There was no way that I could listen to it.) Apparently, common sense has left the building. When I took ancient history, another student asked how or why did the Roman Empire fall. (Honestly, the answer has multiple factors.) However, we have witnessed the reason why the U.S. will fail. The republicans’ planned results of demolishing the education system has seen fruition and the plot of “Idiocracy” has come to pass.
“The government that you elect is the government you deserve.” — Thomas Jefferson
If everyone knew U.S. Government & Economics, they would also know that there isn’t too much they president can do to improve the economy. He can make it worse quickly with bad policies, but not much on improving it. He cannot control the Fed or prices. The last president who tried to control prices was Nixon with a prices freeze, and that started the dominoes which made everything worse all the way through to the end of Carter’s term. The presidential policies that can effect the economy for good, most of the time, take a year or more to see results. Basically, that’s why the republicans get credit for improving the economy, from the democratic president before him. This is the first time that there’s been a ‘soft landing’ from inflation, if memory serves.
“The government that you elect is the government you deserve.” — Thomas Jefferson
Yup. That’s actually why I’m almost relieved in a way. The last 4 years I spent A LOT of time on social media trying to combat misinformation by spreading factual data. It didn’t matter. Americans aren’t intersted in learning. Many aren’t even interested in doing their civic duty by voting. So now I’m hands off. I’m just here to watch the slow (or maybe fast) collapse. I honestly don’t believe there’s much to be done about it at this point.
The collected data over time is there. Freely available. It clearly shows us which choice was the more intelligent choice. And we ignored that and chose poorly at a vital point in American history, despite being given all the warning signs.
We are simply a society set up to fail.
We have definitely started the slow burn of our country. We may be seeing the reason why the ‘founding fathers’ did not want and think that the ‘common man’ should be allowed to vote. Back then, the common man did not own property and was not educated. Maybe they thought that the common man lacked the knowledge and insight to understand the nuances of governing. I strongly believe that this past voting cycle showed a strong lack of understanding, emotional myopathy, and the pure racism & sexism that exists in our country.
Does punctuation count towards character count on Twitter? Cause that could explain a complete lack of it
Yes, yes it does.
I have non-blood relatives with family in Ukraine. For now.
I have others with mounting medical debt that is as dangerous as the cancers.
I know victims of SA that are sure it won’t happen to any of their family or friends.
I hope I’m wrong. I hope this is the wrongest I’ve ever been.
I’ll suffer more, but I can take more of a financial hit. Really I’m getting the political equivalent to a groin shot. It’s not fair, it’s not cool, and it should be off limits. I should get to be comfortable keeping my assets stateside.
While guns, which are manufactured in the US will stay the same price…coffee and chocolate will go up a lot.
So there are going to be some edgy people with access to firearms.
Stay safe next year.
Not so sure about the prices of firearms and ammunition remaining stable. Under Mango Mussolini, the fucknut MAGATs went into full panick buying mode and demand flew past supply resulting in price increases across the board.
Variable on guns.
Mine is a Walther. Walther guns are manufactured in Ulm, Germany.
Sig Sauer manufactures here, but imports components.
Beretta has a Tennessee facility for the American market. They import some of their components.
I’m not looking up everything, limiting it to solid 9mm handgun producers.
Google is also telling me the metal used for guns is a mix of imported and domestic. So yes, it looks like gun prices will go up with tariffs.
Supply may be an issue for all of the above if the American manufacturers stop importing components and metal.
How many gun manufacturers are actually based in the US? I’m fairly sure it’s like 2. Sig and Smith & Wesson… most firearms are imported. Including Springfield, which used to be a US manufacturer.Never mind, it’s still a fair number. Lots are imported though and you’re paying a lot more for a lot of US brands.
Even if they’re assembled in the US, do those US brands have entirely domestic supply chains? If they need to import raw materials for manufacturing their products, I doubt many CEOs are just going to take the loss on margin in the name of patriotism.
We’re all set to suffer for the foreseeable future, but no one suffers more from conservative policy than poor, rural conservatives.
I, for one, will absolutely enjoy watching them suffer. They deserve it.
no one suffers more from conservative policy than poor, rural conservatives.
That’s a nice fiction, but they’re already so cut out of the fruits of the economy that its dubious at best.
The folks who suffer on net will be middle class professionals who see their economic floor drop out from under them. They’ll be forced into living like poor, rural conservatives as prices skyrocket and disposable income dries up.
I, for one, will absolutely enjoy watching them suffer
You won’t watch them suffer. You’ll watch “Lifestyles of the Crypto Billionaire” on one channel and “Bum Fights: Disenfranchised Minority Edition” on the other because that’s what the folks enriching themselves in the Trump economy want to show people.
