The Democrats could have run a turd as a candidate with the slogan “it’ll be a shit show” and I’d still have voted for them with no regrets, because I understand that fascism is an existential threat. If the Democrats are to blame in any way, it’s because they didn’t try to get people to understand that OH WAIT THEY DID.
Should the Democrats have run a better candidate and a better campaign? Obviously yes. Is it their fault that voters were willing to let a fascist win? Not even a little.
Guess what, not everyone thinks that, and a good politician would actually promise to improve people’s lives instead of continually talking about how bad the other guy is.
Trotting out the least popular Republicans ever as being on your side didn’t help either.
Yes, obviously not everyone thinks fascism is an existential threat. Which is probably one of our greatest failures as a society, in terms of education.
If the democrat party genuinely gave a shit they would of held a primary and nominated a qualified and popular candidate. They didn’t. They don’t care!
Its a video of a former obama official and the video is a primary source. Didnt really care about the textual contents of the page was just grabbing a source for the video. Whether jon is trustworthy source shrug id believe it though.
Ah that’s my fault then as I almost never watch videos I absorb information better by reading.
Btw this isn’t critical of you, it’s just something to unfortunately be aware of in 2024 :(
Off topic but I believe we’re heading into an information apocalypse where we won’t be able to get factual trustworthy info anymore. I’ve been buying up books and I plan on downloading the entirety of Wikipedia but I might be late on that with ai going wild.
Hehe im absolutely cool with the call out on the article. No offense taken. Unlike many I appreciate when people call out bullshit, long as its actually bullshit.
we’ve been in one for awhile. AI hasnt changed anything. We’ve had issues with nonsense science, news, etc. literally since time immemorial.
I was actually talking with a friend about how disinformation is an incredibly hard challenge and that I believe the only way to address is to actually put impedance in social media and search engines for new content. To allow filtration to happen before eyes see it.
I think it’s more “a lot of people would really like someone to significantly change the system of politics, and Trump promised to be a wrecking ball… oh and btw… wtf do you mean Facism. Are you like my Highschool history teacher or something? Isn’t Hitler dead”
So, when you’re running, ostensibly to save democracy, you should probably offer those voters stuff that will turn them out. In 2020 Biden promised them a $2000 check, and that worked (even though he reneged on it afterwards).
The only ones to blame are the Democrats. Trump got less votes than in 2020, so it’s not like he got more popular, the Democrats failed to get their base out. You can’t even blame the Greens this time.
Trump is currently sitting at 75.6 million votes, with a few states still finishing off their counts. His 2020 total was 74.2 million. He’s not only already got more votes than he did in 2020, but he’s on track to eclipse that amount even further. Meanwhile Harris is at 71 million vs Biden’s 81 million. So yeah, Dem voters didn’t show up because the lives of their fellow Americans don’t really mean anything to them, but either some of them flipped for Trump or more people who typically sit out elections showed up for him. The numbers show Trump did get more popular. This is apparently what our country wants.
I don’t think that MAGA is an existential threat to democracy, or to Americans’ lives. If it were, Pres. Biden would do something about it, right? Like, maybe, lock them up. Or at least say so. He certainly wouldn’t be planning to just hand over the reins and walk away.
(P.S. If you can’t tell if the above is serious, then why couldn’t millions of voters actually think this way?)
That democrats weren’t even willing to budge on their support for genocide means that they don’t actually mind fascism. They can scream on and on about how dangerous trump is, but when they’re kissing dick cheney’s ass and trying to court other such “moderate” fascists, then they’re just full of shit. So yes, it is largely the fault of democrats, who are the only other viable party in the country, for not fighting fascism. They set themselves up as the only solution and then failed to get the votes. Reminder that this is the same party boosting the campaigns of far-right candidates just so they can point at how crazy their opponents are. All they’re accomplishing is helping out the fascist cause, which again, democrats don’t seem to mind based on their actions.
I’ve reached across the aisle to vote for a conservative for 3 elections now against Trump. It would be nice if centrists and conservatives did the same.
If anything non-voter related is to blame, it’s the global economy which has shifted every single developed country away from the party in charge. But that doesn’t excuse the non-voters.
Now let’s get Ukraine everything we possibly can and put as much pressure on Israel as possible.
You would, but millions of Americans wouldn’t. Those Americans act out of self-interest, and the economy was the biggest pain point with most voters this past election.
Instead of catering to the middle class, what Dems’ base has been historically, Harris campaigned to business owners with tax incentives/breaks.
Democrats failed. Hell, Harris could have even lied just as Obama did to get Democrats and moderates to believe that she represents them. But she didn’t!
You’re defending the people who embraced the Cheneys and told Bernie and Tlaib to get fucked.
Cutting off money and weapons to Israel- who represent only 2.4% of the US population- to end a genocide was the easiest possible win imaginable.
If by “defending” you mean “placing blame where it belongs” then yeah.
Like, if a serial killer has killed ten people then gets charged with killing an eleventh, but he didn’t, then I’d “defend” him too because the person who actually did the crime is still out there and should be held accountable.
You’re making it out as if I’m trying to say the serial killer didn’t murder anybody. That’s not what I’m saying.
The Democrats fucked up, big time. But it’s the electorate who let a fascist win.
“You better stop selling weapons to Israel so that Iran can steamroll you, or we’re going to throw the largest and most powerful country to the fascists”
I wouldn’t take that insanity seriously either. And that’s why I’m getting downvoted by a bunch of insane failures of anti fascism. Which is fine, I’m only frustrated at your refusal to take responsibility for your failure, which no amount of “they made me do it” will absolve you from; you’re responsible for your actions, nobody else.
Indeed we are, and my actions will never support a genocidal candidate while yours did. Doesn’t particularly matter which genocidal we get when thats the bar. I will admit to a small perverse pleasure knowing you dweeds will be suffering at least a small amount of discomfort. It was the least i could do for the harm we’ve inflicted on Palestinians and the shit stain behavior of people like yourself and harris.
Incorrect i voted just not for harris or trump, i warned all of you this was going to happen months in advance. You had time to get your act together and pressure Harris. i was i literally begged you idiots for months. I gave you dunces options to still vote for barris while tanking her in the polls, messaging her, etc.
Now you see the lesser evil nonsense is just utilitarianism. A philosophy that promotes always choosing the harm to the least amount of people.
Unfortunately its a philosophy that is uniquely structured to allow people, like yourself, to think they’re making the best decision. Unfortunately when you have a voting system like ours all it does it let groups like the DNC promote people like trump. Which they’ve been doing for the last 8 years.
By doing this the dnc gets to act more and more like trump while you are blissfully morally bankrupted thinking you’re doing the correct thing.
Instead all that has happen is you were a frog in a pot getting boiled. Look at you now progenocider, pro immigrant children in cages, antiworking class, literally watched harris shit all over a minority group like a Republicans do. You’re all grown up and you didnt even realize it.
Itd be funny if your behavior hasnt been fucking over everyone here at home for literally my entire life. All people like myself did was expose it for what it is. A bad fucking decision that we will not be apart of. Congrats you cut off your noses and spited your face. 🤡
Go on, pigeon. Shit on the chess board some more and blame other people for your own actions. I’m sure if you shit hard enough, nothing will be your fault.
So, what’s the takeaway here? Next time we should nominate better voters? Good luck with that. I think we should nominate candidates who can energize the voters we have.
I’m with you that fascism is alive and well in the states, no doubt.
But you have to see that years of “fascist” accusations from anyone even slightly left has watered down any impact that language might have had. Most people who are and have been on the receiving end of that accusation just roll their eyes when they hear the word - regardless if it’s true or not. It comes off to them as a “blue hair” reee-ing.
Just letting you know most people don’t take it with the same gravity any more. To most people “real” fascism was a 1940’s thing, and fascism now is just an insult throw around by keyboard warriors and “SJWs” - whom they find annoying and pathetic.
The term, however appropriate, doesn’t affect people’s political decisions as much as you would think.
R’s have learned to change their boogiemen occasionally while keeping them substantially similar. Is DEI or CRT substantially different then “Political correctness gone wild”? Not even a little. But it feels new.
I see my original comment got at least one down vote because we’re still in the “denial” phase. It’s the truth though: most people, however wrong they may be, view the fascist label as just another flippantly-tossed insult not to be taken seriously.
The Democrats could have run a turd as a candidate with the slogan “it’ll be a shit show” and I’d still have voted for them with no regrets, because I understand that fascism is an existential threat. If the Democrats are to blame in any way, it’s because they didn’t try to get people to understand that OH WAIT THEY DID.
Should the Democrats have run a better candidate and a better campaign? Obviously yes. Is it their fault that voters were willing to let a fascist win? Not even a little.
Guess what, not everyone thinks that, and a good politician would actually promise to improve people’s lives instead of continually talking about how bad the other guy is.
Trotting out the least popular Republicans ever as being on your side didn’t help either.
Yes, obviously not everyone thinks fascism is an existential threat. Which is probably one of our greatest failures as a society, in terms of education.
If the democrat party genuinely gave a shit they would of held a primary and nominated a qualified and popular candidate. They didn’t. They don’t care!
indeed
the democratic party never fought like it was existential threat and it showed. ‘Long as I did my best’ indeed biden, indeed.
I just want you to note that at the bottom of the link you sent me it essentially says it’s written with chat gpt.
It’s not trustworthy, though I agree with it.
Its a video of a former obama official and the video is a primary source. Didnt really care about the textual contents of the page was just grabbing a source for the video. Whether jon is trustworthy source shrug id believe it though.
Ah that’s my fault then as I almost never watch videos I absorb information better by reading.
Btw this isn’t critical of you, it’s just something to unfortunately be aware of in 2024 :(
Off topic but I believe we’re heading into an information apocalypse where we won’t be able to get factual trustworthy info anymore. I’ve been buying up books and I plan on downloading the entirety of Wikipedia but I might be late on that with ai going wild.
Hehe im absolutely cool with the call out on the article. No offense taken. Unlike many I appreciate when people call out bullshit, long as its actually bullshit.
we’ve been in one for awhile. AI hasnt changed anything. We’ve had issues with nonsense science, news, etc. literally since time immemorial.
I was actually talking with a friend about how disinformation is an incredibly hard challenge and that I believe the only way to address is to actually put impedance in social media and search engines for new content. To allow filtration to happen before eyes see it.
I think it’s more “a lot of people would really like someone to significantly change the system of politics, and Trump promised to be a wrecking ball… oh and btw… wtf do you mean Facism. Are you like my Highschool history teacher or something? Isn’t Hitler dead”
So, when you’re running, ostensibly to save democracy, you should probably offer those voters stuff that will turn them out. In 2020 Biden promised them a $2000 check, and that worked (even though he reneged on it afterwards).
The only ones to blame are the Democrats. Trump got less votes than in 2020, so it’s not like he got more popular, the Democrats failed to get their base out. You can’t even blame the Greens this time.
Trump is currently sitting at 75.6 million votes, with a few states still finishing off their counts. His 2020 total was 74.2 million. He’s not only already got more votes than he did in 2020, but he’s on track to eclipse that amount even further. Meanwhile Harris is at 71 million vs Biden’s 81 million. So yeah, Dem voters didn’t show up because the lives of their fellow Americans don’t really mean anything to them, but either some of them flipped for Trump or more people who typically sit out elections showed up for him. The numbers show Trump did get more popular. This is apparently what our country wants.
I don’t think that MAGA is an existential threat to democracy, or to Americans’ lives. If it were, Pres. Biden would do something about it, right? Like, maybe, lock them up. Or at least say so. He certainly wouldn’t be planning to just hand over the reins and walk away.
(P.S. If you can’t tell if the above is serious, then why couldn’t millions of voters actually think this way?)
That democrats weren’t even willing to budge on their support for genocide means that they don’t actually mind fascism. They can scream on and on about how dangerous trump is, but when they’re kissing dick cheney’s ass and trying to court other such “moderate” fascists, then they’re just full of shit. So yes, it is largely the fault of democrats, who are the only other viable party in the country, for not fighting fascism. They set themselves up as the only solution and then failed to get the votes. Reminder that this is the same party boosting the campaigns of far-right candidates just so they can point at how crazy their opponents are. All they’re accomplishing is helping out the fascist cause, which again, democrats don’t seem to mind based on their actions.
They didn’t “set themselves up as the only solution.” We have First Past the Post voting, that’s just how it works.
If they didn’t set themselves up to be the only solution then they should disband so another party could do so.
Prepare to lose again 2028 with this attitude.
I’ve reached across the aisle to vote for a conservative for 3 elections now against Trump. It would be nice if centrists and conservatives did the same.
If anything non-voter related is to blame, it’s the global economy which has shifted every single developed country away from the party in charge. But that doesn’t excuse the non-voters.
Now let’s get Ukraine everything we possibly can and put as much pressure on Israel as possible.
You would, but millions of Americans wouldn’t. Those Americans act out of self-interest, and the economy was the biggest pain point with most voters this past election.
Instead of catering to the middle class, what Dems’ base has been historically, Harris campaigned to business owners with tax incentives/breaks.
Democrats failed. Hell, Harris could have even lied just as Obama did to get Democrats and moderates to believe that she represents them. But she didn’t!
You’re defending the people who embraced the Cheneys and told Bernie and Tlaib to get fucked. Cutting off money and weapons to Israel- who represent only 2.4% of the US population- to end a genocide was the easiest possible win imaginable.
If by “defending” you mean “placing blame where it belongs” then yeah.
Like, if a serial killer has killed ten people then gets charged with killing an eleventh, but he didn’t, then I’d “defend” him too because the person who actually did the crime is still out there and should be held accountable.
You’re making it out as if I’m trying to say the serial killer didn’t murder anybody. That’s not what I’m saying.
The Democrats fucked up, big time. But it’s the electorate who let a fascist win.
No, the electorate told them exactly what was going to happen months in advance over gaza.
Biden/Harris decided YOLO! and found out.
“You better stop selling weapons to Israel so that Iran can steamroll you, or we’re going to throw the largest and most powerful country to the fascists”
I wouldn’t take that insanity seriously either. And that’s why I’m getting downvoted by a bunch of insane failures of anti fascism. Which is fine, I’m only frustrated at your refusal to take responsibility for your failure, which no amount of “they made me do it” will absolve you from; you’re responsible for your actions, nobody else.
Indeed we are, and my actions will never support a genocidal candidate while yours did. Doesn’t particularly matter which genocidal we get when thats the bar. I will admit to a small perverse pleasure knowing you dweeds will be suffering at least a small amount of discomfort. It was the least i could do for the harm we’ve inflicted on Palestinians and the shit stain behavior of people like yourself and harris.
The irony of this comment is profound.
I’m proud of my choices because I fought to harm as few people as possible.
You’re proud of your choice because you believe your hands are clean despite your choice harming the most number of people.
Your hands are not clean. I hope some day you realize it.
Incorrect i voted just not for harris or trump, i warned all of you this was going to happen months in advance. You had time to get your act together and pressure Harris. i was i literally begged you idiots for months. I gave you dunces options to still vote for barris while tanking her in the polls, messaging her, etc.
Now you see the lesser evil nonsense is just utilitarianism. A philosophy that promotes always choosing the harm to the least amount of people.
Unfortunately its a philosophy that is uniquely structured to allow people, like yourself, to think they’re making the best decision. Unfortunately when you have a voting system like ours all it does it let groups like the DNC promote people like trump. Which they’ve been doing for the last 8 years.
By doing this the dnc gets to act more and more like trump while you are blissfully morally bankrupted thinking you’re doing the correct thing.
Instead all that has happen is you were a frog in a pot getting boiled. Look at you now progenocider, pro immigrant children in cages, antiworking class, literally watched harris shit all over a minority group like a Republicans do. You’re all grown up and you didnt even realize it.
Itd be funny if your behavior hasnt been fucking over everyone here at home for literally my entire life. All people like myself did was expose it for what it is. A bad fucking decision that we will not be apart of. Congrats you cut off your noses and spited your face. 🤡
lol
Go on, pigeon. Shit on the chess board some more and blame other people for your own actions. I’m sure if you shit hard enough, nothing will be your fault.
You’re absolutely correct. Your actions didn’t support a “genocidal candidate”. But your INACTION certainly supported a genocidal candidate.
This is entirely on all of you.
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I suggest you read my other response to another individual in this thread.
Naaah… I’ll pass.
So, what’s the takeaway here? Next time we should nominate better voters? Good luck with that. I think we should nominate candidates who can energize the voters we have.
I’m with you that fascism is alive and well in the states, no doubt.
But you have to see that years of “fascist” accusations from anyone even slightly left has watered down any impact that language might have had. Most people who are and have been on the receiving end of that accusation just roll their eyes when they hear the word - regardless if it’s true or not. It comes off to them as a “blue hair” reee-ing.
Just letting you know most people don’t take it with the same gravity any more. To most people “real” fascism was a 1940’s thing, and fascism now is just an insult throw around by keyboard warriors and “SJWs” - whom they find annoying and pathetic.
The term, however appropriate, doesn’t affect people’s political decisions as much as you would think.
R’s have learned to change their boogiemen occasionally while keeping them substantially similar. Is DEI or CRT substantially different then “Political correctness gone wild”? Not even a little. But it feels new.
You’re right, that is a thing they do.
I see my original comment got at least one down vote because we’re still in the “denial” phase. It’s the truth though: most people, however wrong they may be, view the fascist label as just another flippantly-tossed insult not to be taken seriously.