I voted for Kamala…
It’s the Democrats fault.
I think it was both playing chicken against each other. Dem leadership refused to listen to “progressives”, I E.: things that most Americans wanted, and the voters refused to vote until the Dems listened to them.
So they crashed into each other and now the country is going to burn down.
Yes you should have voted for Kamala and yes it’s the Democrats at fault. Both are true.
If you voted it’s the Democrats fault. If you didn’t vote it’s your fault.
And the DNCs fault.
The left: Infighting is why Kamala lost!
Also the left: In this essay I will detail every faction of the left that is guilty of infighting, and why they are wrong…
I’m actually getting a bit upset at these idealists. They have this childish notion that democracy works in this tit for tat way where politicians “earn” your vote by instating policies that benefit you and that you believe in. Like grow the fuck up already.
Why are y’all so scared of blaming the people in power who failed reaching voters?
why are y’all scared of taking responsibility for allowing a Nazi to gain power when you decided to not vote?
the DNC is out of touch with voters.
that doesn’t absolve the electorate from failing to rally behind a candidate that was the best choice to stop a NAZI REGIME from taking power.
if you didn’t vote, or voted 3rd party, you’re no better than magats.
why are y’all scared of taking responsibility for allowing a Nazi to gain power when you decided to not vote
I voted for Kamala but I still blame the DNC
the issue is two fold
a) they played games with democracy, further accelerating the erosion of whatever little faith remains in our democracy institutions. there should have been a primary, not the underhanded switcharoo we got to witness where for the first time in US history since primaries were a thing… we had a presidential candidate nominated without a single vote
b) while voters are struggling and going through a period of profound insecurity - not only financially but in a very real social sense - they offer more of the same. neoliberal status quo. people are desperate for change and the DNC offers them nothing.
you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change
you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change
Uh…
the DNC is out of touch with voters.
What is this, if not shared blame?
i guess the implication is that he puts more blame on the voters, as that is what his comments are mainly focused on.
me personally I don’t blame the voters at all. just like I don’t blame the German public for voting in the Nazis.
humans are stupid herd animals who will elect strongmen when they feel weak and scared.
i believe you can only put blame on people that have autonomy. and the only people with any real autonomy in this country are the elites, which have stuck their fingers in their ears and their heads in the sand for far too long.
the pressure pot is cooking and I think it’s too late to stop it. maybe if we were a little less greedy over the last few decades and a little less focused on the short term, we could have skipped this resurgence of fascism that we’re about to live through
but politicians only care about the next election and corporations only care about the next quarter. we are a short term society and have sacrificed the long term health of our country
Interesting. That’s an angle I’ll have to consider. It seems like democracy with fixed terms and term limits has a similar problem to capitalism: myopia.
and installing a Nazi regime that has, on record, stated they will never let go of control is the best answer y’all could come up with?
how is any of that going to make the struggle BETTER?
will unbridled fascism help calm the masses and stabilize the inequalities of the previous democracy?
will it restore and protect the rights of Americans?
you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change
I blame the DNC of being inept! I never fucking said they weren’t!
I can still blame the electorate for allowing a fascist dictatorship to take hold in American government.
Just because you call out a fault doesn’t absolve the other party, both are at fault here. I’m just disappointed that voters ignored all reason and decided to fuck all of us(including themselves), to spite us.
btw, what kind of “meaningful change” can we expect now that sweet potato Hitler is in power?
Voting for a Nazi won’t make things better, but when people are desperate they want change, any change. Weimar Germany was democratic, Hitler and the Nazi party legitimately won the popular vote.
So the democrat deciding to run as the corporatist party again is the voters fault?
Even running an unpopular campaign that was guaranteed to continue genocide and corporate profiteering, they lost to Trump with all his baggage.
Maybe people care a lot less who a person is than what problems they say they will fix.
I’d suggest you move to a blue state if you are really concerned, and I’ll see you in four years for the next election.
How’s that tactic of browbeating and blaming voters working out for ya?
Makes me feel better.
I guess we’ve got, what, the next 80 years to blame each other until the Nazis kill us all?
Why doesn’t the DNC have any responsibility in your point of view?
Blaming the voters is insane. The DNC doesn’t learn from their mistakes and keeps putting up awful candidates that are only there because they will maintain the status quo.
We want progress, not the same shitty economy and no healthcare and no response to climate change.
the DNC is to blame as well.
they gave us their choice. it sucked, but it was better than Trump.
but that wasn’t good enough for you, was it?
now look what we’re fucking stuck with.
I did what I had to do, which is vote.
The campaign’s job was to get other people to vote. They failed at their job.
Angry man is better than others because he did the right thing.
Good job angry man.
It is the political party’s responsibility to put up a candidate worth voting for. We do not owe political parties mindless allegiance. You’ve got it backwards.
The government is supposed to work for us, not the other way around.
Harris was always a bad candidate and she had a terrible platform.
Anti universal healthcare, pro genocide, pro fracking. She literally got into a pissing contest during the debate against Trump where she was insisting that she was more pro Israel and more pro fracking than Trump.
The DNC has to put up decent candidates. They have to earn our votes. They are not entitled to them.
Great campaign strategy buddy. Why don’t you work as an analyst?
You go girl! Blame them dumbass voters and learn absolutely nothing from this.
Are you at least aware enough to understand why they refer to guys like yourself as blue MAGA?
Cool. Nazis taking over America and your memeing a womp womp in response to criticism of your dumbass analysis that has failed twice now. Real big brains you’re working with over there.
Brother I get your mad about the election but your crashing out on a Lemmy comment chain about it.
Should the DNC have put forward a candidate that was fairly selected with grass roots support among the wider voting population?
No, it’s the voters who are at fault.
do you think there was enough time?
use your fucking brain.
Americans that purposely withheld votes cause this to happen. point. fucking. blank.
when it actually mattered 20 million Americans abandoned their posts to protect democracy. full stop.
when a house is on fire, do you save the stuff or the people first?
Nevermind, you just want to blame the fire dept from not showing up faster.
do you think there was enough time?
Yes. Other countries manage just fine.
Americans that purposely withheld votes cause this to happen. point. fucking. blank.
Maybe they didn’t purposely withhold votes. Maybe they were just not enthusiastic enough about the DNC candidate.
20 million Americans abandoned their posts to protect democracy
This is not democracy. It’s a corporatocracy that’s one candidate away from dictatorship.
when a house is on fire, do you save the stuff or the people first
The house is on fire because the two greedy landlords have refused to do basic maintenance and listen to the concerns of their tenants.
You just don’t get it. You still want to argue about why the house is on fire, instead of trying to save the people in the house.
That’s the problem with ideological extremists. You just can’t admit that your idea sucks.
I’ll admit that the Democrats suck.
Can you admit that your socialist goals were unachievable in the previous political environment?
Wait a second. 🤔 Was that your goal all along?
No, if that was the case, you would be no better than the Nazis.
right?
Holy shit.
You could not be more incorrect on more levels if you tried.
How exactly was Harris trying to put out this fire again? By welcoming the war criminal Dick Cheney into the party with open arms? By arguing with Trump that she’s more pro fracking and pro genocide than he is?
Harris’s platform offered zero solutions to anything. Her entire thing was “brat vibes” and also I support the corporate powers that be even harder than Trump does. She was literally offering a harder border policy than TRUMP.
I’m not exactly sure what you think she was saving us from.
If the house wasn’t on fire we wouldn’t need to save the people. Your strategy will never save the people in the house. Neither landlord cares about the people, only the companies providing services.
again, you’re trying argue about if or how the house is on fire.
it was on fire!
now it’s burned the-fuck down. People, things, everything has burned.
it’s too late.
The blame falls on people in power not delivering for the working class/poor. There is no better ally for the GOP than modern spineless Dems who center their politics around them. Every third party voter could have voted for Harris and she still would have lost.
The blame falls on people in power not delivering for the working class/poor.
No, I’m pretty sure it was the people who refused to vote. All 20 million of them failed to identify the obvious threat to our democracy and react accordingly.
There is no better ally for the GOP than modern spineless Dems who center their politics around them.
Spoken like a true extremist. Now, the sad thing is, I never considered myself a Democrat. I was something of a hybrid between leftist and Democrat. After this election though, I’m neither. Now I’m an anti-extremist, extremist. And I know I’m not the only one.
Every third party voter could have voted for Harris and she still would have lost.
We all know that’s a lie. 20 million votes to Harris would have swung it greatly in her favor.
But that’s fine. You keep lying, and I’ll keep hating extremists.
Cope all you want. But she made the choice to court Republicans and chase the ghosts of Cheney Era Voters and paid for it. When Trump can position himself as to speaking to working class issues than a Dem.
" hybrid between leftist and Democrat" Yeah a centrists no need to rebrand it.
Greatest campaign strategy known to man. Do nothing, shit talk your base, be surprised when you lose. Classic DNC.
You seem to have confused me for somebody who gives a fuck about the DNC.
I couldn’t give a fucking rat ass about the DNC, the RNC, Independents, Green Party, Tea Party.
I only care that there are Nazis taking over the United States of America in January. I care that 125 to 200 million Americans will pay the price for the negligence of 20 million Americans.
I don’t judge you based off of what your political leaning is.
I judge you based on if you are a fascist supporting boot licking Nazi loving piece of shit.
If you didn’t vote this election cycle, you’re as good as a fucking Nazi to me. If you voted third party, you’re as good as a fucking Nazi to me. If you voted Republican, you are a fucking Nazi to me.
Please, by all means, vote however you want. Vote your conscience. But I’ll still think you’re a Nazi if you didn’t vote for Harris.
Not because you are a Nazi, but because you didn’t actually try to stop the Nazis.
I don’t understand the “we were to small to matter” argument I’ve been seeing. If that’s true, why on Earth would you expect to matter enough to move the Democratic platform, or to shape society after leftists “burn it all down” (whatever that means)?
The argument is based on third party people who voted. They aren’t including the group of likely voters who didnt, mainly because thats not easy to calculate.
They can see how many registered democrats vs have voted but I’m not sure about the other parties, if people register for them the same way.
I guess I’m focused on the professed, not measured, group size.
I blame both groups. Both groups are known to be stubborn to the point of short sightedness. Lemmy has a lot of blaming of both at the moment and it’s fair
“I can’t just run on not being the other guy? I actually have to articulate a platform and get people to like me???”
Add the /s
False choice fallacy. Both can be the problem.
They’re both right. If you didn’t vote for Harris, you were incredibly misguided. But it’s not my job to get Harris elected, it’s the DNC’s.
It’s everyone’s job to fight a fascist takeover, though. Election subversion is part of the playbook.
The Republicans didn’t create the democratic campaign. Fighting fascism is everyone’s job but that job would’ve been much easier if the alternative didn’t run on “we’re not as bad a Trump”.
It’s worse than that - this election was a major win for billionaires, the DNC’s donors that call the shots and decide who gets on the ticket and the same group that backs the GOP’s ticket. The difference in the candidates is a reflection of the range of preferences within the billionaire class. That’s why we can’t get exciting progressive candidates. That’s also why we see so many articles blaming voters or blaming a side - the division keeps people focused elsewhere. Billionaire-owned and managed media (propaganda) keeps them out of the spotlight. Kamala was the far better candidate but she lost because the more hateful of the billionaires put their funds into setting up a false choice (a vote either way is a vote for the billionaires) and then poured on the gas to get the other guy in office.
the DNC’s donors that call the shots and decide who gets on the ticket are the same group that backs the GOP’s ticket.
This is how a corporatocracy always wins. Welcome to America.
Genocide is not a dealbreaker for ora.
Between the two inevitable options, Harris was willing to negotiate a ceasefire. I realize there’s theoretically faster options but I was unwilling to make minorities all over the world die on that hill. It’s purely a place of privilege to think there’s no difference between wiping Palestinians off the map, and stopping the war in place.
No, she wasn’t willing to negotiate a ceasefire. Listen to her. Ironclad with Israel until the end. It’s too late for the democrats now.
Under their watch almost all of Gaza is destroyed and 100,000’s people dead and displaced. Generations of families and nearly every single hospital, university, school, and mosque destroyed. This is anihilation.
This is what democrats mean when they say they want a ceasefire. They could have stopped it right at the outset, but they choose to say “Israel has a right to defend itself” and continues to arm Israel as it’s been slowly genociding them for over a year.
She may have said something about a ceasefire, but just as Biden talked about all of his red lines that Netanyahu blew through, they are just words.
Maybe now she can become a champion for ending the genocide because Trump will be doing it instead.
Kamala Harris isn’t alone in wanting the ceasefire but she’s in the extreme minority among her peers (i.e. congress). But let’s say you’re right, let’s pretend she has the exact same views on Israel as Trump. In that case the only things on the ballot were the safety of people abroad in Ukraine, the refugees domestically who are at risk of being sent back to hostile territory, Queer people, especially transgender people who are running out of safe countries to be, what about anybody who wants to criticize America without the US Millitary being sent after them. Even though you see all these minorities as worthless, they’ll be coming for you eventually. First they came for the socialists.
The thing you don’t understand is whatever they are doing in Palestine they are willing to do to you. What do you think all of the death and destruction Israel has brought there is going to create? Peace and happiness? Kumbaya guitar circles? I wait to see what karma brings.
Maybe those were the only things on the ballot for you. You know what wasn’t on the ballot for you? The winning issues. Do you know why?
Because to the democrats it was more important to keep arming Israel than forgiving student loans, a $15 minimum wage, universal healthcare, the dramatic rise in the cost of living/drop in quality of life, cleaning up the East Palestine train fiasco, etc.
The hardest I have ever seen democrats fight for something was when Trump was in office. They fought him on everything. I thought that energy would carry over if they won in 2020. It didn’t. They let the parliamentarian shut down the party with a penstroke.
It’s too late. The DNC is dead. They appealed to corporate and centrist issues. They get called the left, but really they are the center right.
If the democrats really wanted to win and make positive change, they would have chosen Bernie in 2016 and 2020, but they did everything in their power to make sure he lost, prefering to lose to Trump rather than improve the lives of not-rich Americans.
Yeah its fucking both, duh.
It may cost a lot of lives, but at least you got your moral high ground. Must be nice having the mental age of a 5yo and be content.
It may cost lives, but at least the Dems stood on… Well nothing. They could of catered to the non voters. Given them something when it was clear that this was happening. Instead they did nothing. They attacked college protestors, they muzzled waltz, they adopted Republican immigration policy, became pro wall, tried to say they were even MORE anti immigration than Republicans. They literally just ran as the 2020 trump in 2024.
Like. You saw it coming. I saw it coming. They saw it coming. And you want to blame the voter instead of the party that did NOTHING to get it. They were told as clear as physically possible what to do to get that vote. At some point, which we are past, it’s on the party.
I voted for Harris as a harm reduction vote. And I do wish my fellow leftists could of come out for that. But I can’t blame them at the end of the day. The Dems couldn’t stop being the corporate party for 4 years out of desperation. They thought they could win by becoming the Republican party instead and lost. Bad gameplan. It failed. They lost all 4 seats of government with that plan.
No, it’s the democrats fault!
This meme makes me so mad. It completely misses the point that the government is supposed to be working for us. They are here to make our lives better from our collective power. The right to rule is derived from the will of the people. You are misunderstanding how government is supposed to function on an essential level.
Making it out to be the voters fault because we didn’t like the shit sandwich that the were serving us is absolutely incorrect. Harris had zero progressive ideas in her platform. She ran on basically the same platform as the GOP.
As soon as you start putting the onus on the voter, you are putting our politicians up as the aristocracy. You make them into our ruling class. This is incorrect. They are supposed to execute the will of the people.
I’m just absolutely shocked that so many people are acting like the voters failed, when the DNC has done this to us so many times lately.
It’s amazing how we get convinced to fight each other. The reason the orange felon got elected is that people voted for him. They are at fault that he got elected. Stop bickering amongst each other and call out those who would incite you to do so!
Our politics needs more humility.
There’s a perverse bunch here on lemmy that are blaming the Democrat Party for their failure to vote. They justify it by essentially saying that because they weren’t catered to (being further left than centrist platform Harris ran) that it’s the democrat’s fault we got trump. That’s some republican-level victim shit. “We did the opposite of what we should and things didn’t get better!”
No, motherfucker, you sat this one out in a battleground state so we got a fascist and that’s better than Harris? WTF kind of logic is that?
They get to blame everyone and pretend to be smarter than other people because their third choice candidate can’t be wrong. This way they can blame the DNC for themselves not caring about all the groups trump will adversely effect and they can then also blame republicans when they eventually do it, all from the top of their high horse.
Those groups were suffering under democrats, currently. Why do you think even minorities and immigrants voted for him.
The democrats wouldnt even acknowledge peoples suffering, much less admit they had a hand in it.
Why dont you repeat the lines about how america is great under biden, all sunshine and roses.
They’ll suffer more under trump
Maybe maybe not.
Theres no reason anyone could justify thinking “maybe not.” I’m glad you’ll be alright tho. It’s good to know that you’re sufficiently insulated from any of that.
Every. Single. Election. People. Blame. Voters. And. Nothing. Changes. Maybe it’s the lame ass corporate candidates that need to change. I voted Kamala, but it was fucking obvious as shit she didn’t stand a chance.
The vote is the only thing we have control over.
You think allowing a dictator to take the reins is gonna get you what you want? Really? Explain to everyone how sitting this one out, an election that may cement Republican power and place Democrats as a token but useless party fore the remainder of the foreseeable future, will fix what you see as wrong with the Democratic party?
Any other election I might have agreed with you.
But not this one.
Own it.
I didn’t say that, I voted. I’ve just heard this same argument so many times through the years and it’s not working.
Sounds to me like she would of won with a more leftist policy. Sounds to me like the campaign failed to do the thing that would of won them the election.
Like, I voted harris as a harm reduction vote, but I cannot be mad at people for refusing to vote for the party who abandoned them and everything they stand for on the hope that they (the voter) would back them regardless of running on pro Israel, pro border wall, half ass abortion and status quo when status quo is the thing everyone fucking hates right now.
They went in with a bad gameplan and it didn’t pan out. Blame the fucking party for doing nothing.
