Because you now did it to yourself.

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    18 days ago

    Look back now with hindsight and tell me what would be better for Palestinians in Gaza. What we’re getting with trump in charge? Or what we might have gotten if every single person who said negative things about Harris’ stance had instead focused solely on how Trump’s stance was objectively worse per his own words.

    Can you try to put that into words? Like, give me concrete examples of how Trump is worse for Gaza.

    A weapon doesn’t kill or hurt less people just because the dealer who sold/gave it away said, “Genocide is bad, okay?”

    Those bombs are gonna kill and hurt people no matter if it’s the Dems or the Reps sending them to Israel. There are lots of reasons why Trump is worse, but if you’re a Palestinian it really doesn’t make a difference if the weapon that kills you came from a racist man or a woman who condemns genocide.


    Edit:

    So many downvotes, so many disagreeing comments, but not a single fucking person has managed to give one concrete example that explains why weapons coming from Trump is so much worse than weapons coming from Kamala, for Palestinians.

    Palestinian nº1: Watchout, a bomb!

    Palestinian nº2: Don’t worry, the person who send it said that genocide is bad!

    Palestinian nº1: Oh, thank God! And thank you, for putting my mind at ease. For a moment I though that bomb had come from a racist, but I’m glad to hear American democracy has been saved by the democratic party! Now I can be blown to pieces with a smile on my face 🙂

    Edit 2:

    Here’s an article detailing the destruction in Gaza in December 2023, 11 months ago. I feel like some of you need reminding of the current reality, when you can’t even come up with concrete hypotheticals.

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      18 days ago

      Can you try to put that into words? Like, give me concrete examples of how Trump is worse for Gaza.

      Because there’s no effing way Netanyahu would have posted anything like this in response to a Kamala win.

      “Congratulations on history’s greatest comeback! Your historic return to the White House offers a new beginning for America and a powerful recommitment to the great alliance between Israel and America. This is a huge victory! In true friendship,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu posted on social media platform X.

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        18 days ago

        I asked for something concrete that Trump would do that is worse for Palestine. You still haven’t explained how a bomb from the Republicans hurts more than a bomb from the Democrats.

        Again, there’s lots of reasons Trump is worse than Kamala, but weapons will kill people no matter who uses them.

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          18 days ago

          Are you seriously unable to imagine anything worse than whats happening there right now? Read a fucking history book.

          I can’t even believe an adult person is trying to make this argument. Please tell me that you’re a child.

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            18 days ago

            And one more comment where you give me nothing concrete. Every reply I get like this and which fails to give concrete examples just reinforce my point.

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              18 days ago

              Do you want me to list how things can and will get much worse? Will you finally shut the fuck up?

              Israel decides to “annex” the West Bank. The settlers who are forcing Palestinians out of their family homes will have the backing of the IDF/US military. The people who are displaced will be executed.

              US troops sent to Israel to aid the IDF in their genocide of the Palestinian people in Gaza, and then onward as Israel pushes their invasion force further into Lebanon and other Middle Eastern nations, provoking a much larger global conflict.

              US gives Israel approval to use tactical nukes in that conflict. US continues to provide arms for this extended campaign.

              Israel decides to use chemical weapons to clear out populated areas, because at this point there’s no point in pretending to care about civilian casualties.

              Netanyahu has the IDF go door to door executing Palestinian women and children, and then run over their corpses with bulldozers (again).

              Stateside: Trump administration rounds up every Palestinian and deports them to Israel. Most of them will never be seen again.

              Trump administration rounds up any person who might be a supporter of Palestine and imprisons and/or executes them.

              Trump administration rounds up all Arabs (including the ones who were born here), and deports them to an active battlefield.

              I’m going to stop here because I’d rather not ruin my day more than it’s already been ruined.

              If you’re gonna crow on and on about genocide, at least have a basic historic understanding of how these things always escalate. It’s not just an on or off thing.

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                18 days ago

                Some of what you said is relevant, but none of it has to do with Palestinians. That’s my fucking point. I said a million times Trump is worse, but for Palestinians it makes no difference.

                Israel decides to “annex” the West Bank. The settlers who are forcing Palestinians out of their family homes will have the backing of the IDF/US military. The people who are displaced will be executed.

                They are already working towards that, they’ve been annexing the west bank for a long while, and they don’t need US troops for it.

                This is from 2020.

                This is from July 2023.

                Here’s an entire wiki page about all they’ve been doing since 1967.

                US troops sent to Israel to aid the IDF in their genocide of the Palestinian people in Gaza

                The genocide is already happening. And again, whether US soldiers or just the IDF are involved is irrelevant for the people being killed, it only matters for the Americans being drafted.

                Israel decides to use chemical weapons to clear out populated areas, because at this point there’s no point in pretending to care about civilian casualties.

                They already don’t care, they’ve killed aid workers, journalists, and countless children. They’ve raped and tortured prisoners.

                Netanyahu has the IDF go door to door executing Palestinian women and children, and then run over their corpses with bulldozers (again)

                Exactly, “again”. Do I need to say more?

                And everything after that is about what Trump will do to people in America, about which we agree on, and I’ve already pointed out several times is not my point. My point is, for the last time, Trump is not materially worse for the people living in Palestine than Kamala, and pretending that he can do worse to them is to whitewash what is currently happening and to downplay the decade long genocide.

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          18 days ago

          Trick go home, drink yourself silly, have some shrooms. You’re not helping yourself here. 🤷 Honestly its painful to watch you.

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      18 days ago

      He literally said they should “finish the job” but we all know you’re lying and know he said that. I’m thankful for the user tagging feature in boost. I never have to give you benefit of doubt again, wasting my time reading the words of a liar.

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        I said to give me something concrete, you have given me nothing concrete. Israel is not that far from “finishing the job” by themselves.

        But what else is to be expected, all you people can say is “you’re a liar/troll”. Keep burying your head in the sand then.

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          18 days ago

          I wonder why people are calling you a liar and a troll. Yeah they’re all wrong. /s

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            18 days ago

            I wonder why people are calling you a liar and a troll.

            If the “you” here is singular, then you are the first one to do so, just FYI. But if you wanna use the “popularity makes right” argument, then I suppose you must be okay with Trump being president, given the majority voted for him, right? Or does it not work when the popular voices disagree with you?

            And you’ve still given me nothing concrete.

            I realize this is an emotional time, especially if you’re American, but you sound completely ridiculous. Take a break from the internet, go hug your friends and family, and (if you’re someone who needs to know this) remember that politics isn’t a reality just once every 4 years and starts from the ground up.

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      18 days ago

      Can you try to put that into words? Like, give me concrete examples of how Trump is worse for Gaza.

      My friend, he wasn’t become president yet. Come back in 6 months when Gaza is nothing but a steaming pile of debris and revisit this conversation.

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          18 days ago

          Here we go again with the “it can’t get worse” bullshit. Netanyahu will eliminate the Palestinian people completely.

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            18 days ago

            He’s already working towards doing that. What I have asked, repeatedly, and which neither you nor anyone else has even tried to answer, is how, concretely, is Trump going to make it worse than it already is? I’ll repeat myself for the millionth time: a bomb will kill regardless of whether it was supplied by Bide, Kamala, or Trump. A bomb will turn things to rubble no matter if it was supplied by Biden, Kamala, or Trump.

            So once again, repeating myself like a mad person, tell me concretely - stop giving vague as fuck answers - concretely, what can Trump do to materially make Palestinian’s life’s worse?