Summary

The UK has introduced the Tobacco and Vapes Bill, aiming to make it illegal for future generations to buy cigarettes. The bill proposes gradually raising the minimum smoking age, so those born after January 1, 2009, will never be able to purchase tobacco legally.

It also includes restrictions on vape flavors and packaging to prevent youth addiction and bans smoking in certain outdoor spaces, though pub beer gardens are exempt.

Supported by the Labour Party’s majority, the legislation seeks to create a “smoke-free U.K.” and combat smoking-related deaths.

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    7 hours ago

    Pushing an entire business into black market over time… Who in their right mind approved this?

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      Won’t somebody think of the poor struggling businesses.

      Where would society be without those good old death stick sellers who hid decades of research into health risks and marketed to children. Cornerstone of society and they’re trying to ban it? Savages.

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          It’ll work for the majority of people. You won’t be able to do it out in public.

          If you want to get cancer in your own house go ahead.

          The truth is they put a huge burden on public services. Mainly the health service but also they create insane amounts of litter.

          If vaping is still an option then most people will just do that.

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            If you want to get cancer in your own house go ahead.

            I agree with the sentiment of both you and the person I originally applied to. Smoking is a blight and I wish it would go away. I simply don’t think prohibition is the way to do it.

            Mainly the health service but also they create insane amounts of litter

            Vaping also creates an insane amount of litter. I wish vaping would go away just as much as I do cigarettes.

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              Yeah vaping will have its time. I bet they’re already sitting on evidence that it fucks you up.

              Prohibition does work very well for kids though. Most people start young as when you’re older you know the issues.

              So they are keeping it for people already exposed and trying to stop younger people starting in the first place.

              They raised the age to 18 when I turned 16 and it dramatically cut the amount we had access to.

              It’s not like the old alcohol probation. Plus smoking isn’t even fun like drinking. It’s just gross and bad for your health. And most people don’t drink because of addiction. It’s a different kettle of fish.

              But they should be doing the same for vaping.

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                It’s not a secret. Ask any medical professional and they’ll tell you about popcorn lung. Vaping is worse in many ways. Look, don’t suck non “air” into your lungs. Pollution is bad enough for us. We don’t need to make it worse.

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      People who don’t like cancer and want to take the insane pressure these death sticks put on the health service.

      Who in their right mind supports mega corps selling addictive cancer causing products to young people?

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        The point is prohibition doesn’t work. I would prefer no young person ever try cigarettes, or nicotine in any form. But I don’t think that’s realistic.

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          You know this, but nicotine isn’t the problem. It’s all the other crap in them.

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            Sure, but on another level yes, nicotine is a problem. It’s super fucking addictive and I hate my dependence on it. And harsher regulation on nicotine products in my area have ironically made it tougher to ween myself off.

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          It works really well for kids. They aren’t even trying to ban it for adults.

          Raising the age from 16 to 18 had a massive effect when I was young.

          This will most likely dramatically decrease smoking in young people and that’s great.

          It’s not 100% or nothing.

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            I’d love to be wrong about this. But I started smoking at 20, and while I’ve kicked cigarettes for good I couldn’t make quitting nicotine stick.

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      Exactly. Smoking was dying off due to vaping until all these countries got a stick up their ass over it and decided to either outright ban vapes or put ridiculous regulations on them. This is why everyone uses disposables in the US now and toss their lithium batteries in the trash every couple days.

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        vaping was much worse because people blatantly use them indoors and wherever else they shouldn’t. And due to them not needing to light up they just constantly puff on them between every three breaths. It’s fucking awful being in a queue or walking behind someone vaping.

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          Supported by the Labour Party’s majority, the legislation seeks to create a “smoke-free U.K.” and combat smoking-related deaths.

          vaping was much worse

          Why?

          because people blatantly use them indoors and wherever else they shouldn’t

          I don’t know if that really makes them worse than premature death.

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          Oh boo hoo!

          People being mildly annoying means they should be banned? Cigarettes were killing smokers and those around them. That’s the line for me. If your actions harm others, then it gets restricted.

          Vapes are nowhere near that line. They just smell weird.

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            They really are. Popcorn lung is a thing with vapers. Plus I don’t want to inhale their nasty nicotine on accident. They need to have some damn respect for people around them instead of blatant selfishness. That’s the line for me.

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        Vaping is currently almost completely unregulated and some studies have found terrifying chemicals in them

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      Because it’s a gradual ban, rather than a blanket ban for everyone immediately, they are hoping the demand won’t be there by the time the last generation of legal smokers die off (sooner than you think given cigarettes are designed to kill).

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      They are an island nation with very strict controls. The black market will be small. The real worry would be no different than age restrictions already in effect: find someone old enough to buy it for you.

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      People who don’t understand how things work.

      Or people who benefit from there being more criminals…