Context

The main arguments for people to defederate are

  • “Embrace, extend, and extinguish” strategy: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
  • A potential federation with Threads (should Thread decide to implement it) would overwhelm Lemmy/Mbin/Piefed with millions of users (compared to the 40k monthly current active users), transforming those platforms into a threaded version of Facebook
  • Defederating preventively costs nothing

LW stance: https://lemmy.world/post/1274909?scrollToComments=true

  • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
    32·
    19 days ago

    PieFed.social, Mbin, or use one of Sync or Connect that can actually block tankie users (edit: to be clear I mean users from known tankie instances, so that you don’t have to identify and block people slowly one by one) - Lemmy’s “block” doesn’t block hardly anything at all, as you still see them, they can downvote you, generate notifications, etc. Read more here.

    You may also want to block certain news and political communities in favor of better ones that are not so filled with toxicity and misinformation regardless of whether the content comes from certain instances.

    • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
      1·
      19 days ago

      I have been blocking people on Jerboa (which as far as I guess is just normal Lemmy blocking) and I don’t get notifications or see people I’ve blocked.

      • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
        2·
        19 days ago

        Correct: user blocking is quite strong. Community blocking similarly does exactly as you would want - i.e. those posts no longer show up not only in your Subscribed feed, but the All one as well.

        However, instance blocking does not block the vast majority of content from the instance - i.e. it’s nowhere close to either a personal defederation (as people begged for and were told to wait for Lemmy version 0.19 for it to be added - in contrast, most instances now are on 0.19.5 and 0.19.6 is being tested on a few) - nor is it even as strong as user blocking.

        Plus it has been actively weakened over time, i.e. somewhere between 0.19.3 and 0.19.5 users from that instance can now trigger a Notification to you by replying. I note that this is what almost made me quit Lemmy altogether, when I replied to a comment in a post in ChapoTrapHouse@hexbear.net, and then did similarly somewhere in lemmygrad.ml. Each time those replies kept coming for literally WEEKS and WEEKS, long after I had stopped responding to them - and each time from a new person, at which point how do I stop them all!? They spam-bombed me, not for writing a post, but replying to a comment that I encountered by browsing All. And not from a hexbear.net account - i.e. where I could expect to have read through their quite special rules, but on Lemmy proper that have rules like “remember the human” - unless the person’s account is on hexbear.net or lemmygrad.ml I suppose, which is why Lemmy.world has defederated from them. However, my much smaller instance (StarTrek.website) had not, and unlike the desktop the mobile site lacks the description of the community rules (PieFed does this, as well as instance “labels”, and tags, and community categories and so much more, and I think that’s amazing! It really helps clarify any potential misunderstandings, e.g. if you reply to a post on beehaw then you should make extra certain to not be a dick, or you should expect your content to be removed, and possibly be banned as a result - i.e. if you refuse to control yourself then they will do it for you, to give their own users the experience that they desire in their community on their instance as they see fit).

        One more thing: some apps - I’ve heard that Connect and Sync do at least - provide their own form of instance blocking, separately from merely turning on the Lemmy poorly-named feature.

        Sorry for the rant, maybe some of it was interesting.:-)

        TLDR: you are correct, and if only the instance blocking would work in the same manner that would have been wonderful! Sadly, it does not.

        • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
          3·
          19 days ago

          You never mentioned instance blocking. Yeah, it’s not a Lemmy thing and because of that it’s a little wonky. Various front ends handle it differently.

          It might be worth editing it into your comment for clarity. When you say “block tankies” it isn’t immediately clear you mean blocking an instance because “tankies” can exist anywhere and “non-tankies” can exist on “tankie instances”.

          (I’m not trying to be a pedantic jerk, either. Sorry if it sounds like that. If it does sound like that then it’s just the stress from the US election getting to me. 💜)

          Also, I’d like to specifically mention that I’m sorry you got harassed. That sucks. 💜

          • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
            1·
            19 days ago

            Thank you - upvoted and edited as suggested.

            I’m not sure what you mean by harassed. If you mean the downvotes, I had to look at the comment from another instance to even see them - my instance defederates from hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml, so downvotes from those sources don’t show up (interestingly, on my instance, I see none at all - i.e. all of the downvoters are from known tankie instances 🤣).

            I want downvotes from people who’s opinion I actually would respect - like if you felt it necessary to add them (which I can tell you didn’t, bc I see none despite being able to talk to you:-) - but yeah, I don’t need it from children (of whatever physical age) who refuse to see how being unkind to people is not the sole strategy that anyone could use in a conversation.

            But if you mean you, then nah you good.:-) First, we all in the same boat there, and second, you explained it well.:-)