Refugees and activists tell the BBC intimidation tactics are tearing apart Uyghur communities overseas.
    • Fazoo@lemmy.ml
      171·
      1 year ago

      Or the fact we literally have drone and camera footage of mass arrests. I’m not one to view Vice these days, but one of their reporters went there and saw some rather suggestive situations as well.

      After Trump was so nice (dumb) enough to showcase just how clear US satellite photos are these days, one has to question why some here are so quick to cry in China’s defense. Especially after the very public take over of Hong Kong, you think an ethnic cleanse is out of the question?

      I’m sure some pro-Chinese twit will come rushing in with some whataboutism or a crack on US history, as if that excuses things.

      • GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml
        4·
        1 year ago

        Especially after the very public take over of Hong Kong, you think an ethnic cleanse is out of the question?

        After China followed the diplomatic agreement it had with Britain for decades to handle the transition from Hong Kong being a British colony back to it being under the jurisdiction of its own nation (as a Special Autonomous Region exempted, like other such regions, from a great portion of federal law), now that means China will do ethnic cleansing? Most of Hong Kong supports the mainland, but that falls very much along class lines. The protestors you saw on western news 24/7 for a while were mostly members of wealthier families who don’t represent the majority.

        I have mixed feelings about the protest itself in that I think back when it was more fragmented there were surely meaningful segments that weren’t concerned about an extremely normal (but now withdrawn anyway) extradition law, but once it became the Five Demands and begging for their white colonizers to return, the highest credit I can give them is that they still were at least dignified enough to turn away Azov fascists who visited them.

      • OurToothbrush@lemmy.mlM
        85·
        1 year ago

        Especially after the very public take over of Hong Kong, you think an ethnic cleanse is out of the question?

        You’re projecting. China exempted ethnic minorities from the one child policy, that is how anti “han supremacist”(which itself is just white supremacist projection) they are.

        And the people of Hong Kong are 90 percent Han.

      • Rakn@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        41·
        1 year ago

        I mean the nice thing about the internet is that you can at least find videos documenting what the article claims. I mean sure… it could all just be propaganda. But somehow there is a little much of it from so many different sources.

        • GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml
          10·
          1 year ago

          You say this and yet, what videos? How many have you actually watched vs assumed were there vs read the headline? I’ve seen a bunch of photos and videos and all of them were either hoaxes (calling normal buildings camps), ridiculous misunderstandings (like saying the screeching of brakes was screaming victims), or gross misrepresentations (e.g. normal prison transfers being a slate of new genocide victims). But if you just skim through what just so happens to trend on Reddit, you’ll see atrocity after atrocity and not stick around long enough to see the retraction, or the people in the comments debunking it, and so on.

          There’s a reason neoliberal outlets walked their claims back to “cultural genocide” over time, because there was nothing there except the testimony of like three people from a region of 15 million.

          • Rakn@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            I mean I’ve seen a few recordings of Chinese officials calling folks abroad and making „suggestions“. That was more than just reading headlines.

            But I guess you are right. It’s likely all propaganda and China is a paradise.

                • GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  Your position doesn’t make sense. We know that testimony on atrocity propaganda is sometimes a complete fabrication:

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

                  So that is one of the things worth considering, but that hypothesis isn’t a get-out-of-jail-free card and needs to be weighed against other factors like the variety of sources and people involved, their history and material interests, etc.

                  Yes, I am saying things need to be scrutinized instead of just taken at face value if they comport with our prejudices, I apologize if that takes the wind out of your sails, but blind faith won’t lead you to good conclusions.

    • fishtacos@lemmy.ml
      21·
      1 year ago

      We put a lot of stock in personal stories, but we also pay a lot for incriminating evidence against China.

      Do you know about the 1 child policy (That was recently ended?) And how that affects this? Because I actually looked into it. But I bet an online personality won’t change your mind. So I won’t even bother.

      Remember America didn’t forcefully sterilize anyone. We just straight up bombed them, raped them, and shot them.

      Your biases are showing.