Hillary in 2016 and now most definitely Kamala in 2024

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      I’m not very in the know of the possible options. Are there other possible democratic candidates that are women that are more likable, i.e. not soulless cops?

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            From everything I see, she is still lib/socdem Jesus. She has mostly kept a low profile but they haven’t turned on her or associated her with anything negative yet.

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          AOC isn’t eligible this year due to age I think.

          She will absolutely sweep the country in the biggest landslide since 2008 Obama, if not surpassing it, should she choose to run in 2028.

      • i mean, harris’ whole thing is being on board for biden’s program, because she was too unpopular to even exist in the primaries. they both live for the cop & carceral state so hard, and that is a heinous stink. hildawg was taking money from the private prison companies, getting defensive when it was pointed out to her campaign back in 2016 with similar-to-harris disingenuous dismissals like “i take money from everybody, it doesn’t mean anything.” yes, massive capital formations strategically dismantled any barriers to funneling money to campaigns via grown-in-a-lab court cases like Citizens United and now give hundreds of millions to candidates for literally no reason. that was her pat answer. just like harris’ “it was a debate” laugh at Colbert over her almost seeming like a real person at the debates for a few minutes.

        these two stand head and shoulders above socdem careerists like Liz “The Snake” Warren. to be clear, Warren sucks. she 100% betrayed the socdem movement during the 2020 primaries during the ratfuck and we all rightfully hate on her for this, but her rhetoric was anti-finance capital and she did conceive of and spearhead the creation of the CFPB which has gone after some real scumbags. if it were her running against trump and she weren’t blasting hasbara talking points like a wind-up alarm clock every 24 hours, i could imagine throwing a vote her way just to support anybody to the left of holden-bloodfeast. not saying i would for sure, but i would think about it.

        honestly, within the dem party, i would be surprised if less than 50% of those that hold some kind of state level office or have run as a local level candidate aren’t pro-medicare for all, but they have been coached and handled into staying on some vaguely lukewarm messaging for national policy in order to advance. it is a problem of the party that grooms & chooses rising stars based on vibes. it keeps them pointless, molded as nihilist careerists like Harris or Beto. if the party really wanted to, i have no doubt they could find some mid 40s year old public school teacher who ran for schoolboard on the democrat ticket in some dysfunctional red state that would blow the doors off everybody we’ve ever heard of just by being too frustrated to not say whatever they’re thinking and too jaded from trying to teach biology to some Children of the Corn ass community in West Jerkfuck, Oklahoma to ever give an inch to a republican politician.

        i guess my point is that the function of the party in “fielding candidates” for national office is to find the unlikeable shitheels that will not rock the boat and that need the party campaign apparatus to get into highest office. they see what trump has done to their republican colleagues, and they do not want anything remotely like an insurgent candidate taking a wrecking ball to their tightly controlled farming and scouting program.

    • Idk, I find Harris to be infinitely more likable than Clinton, just vibes based. Probably doesn’t help that Clinton kinda looks like my late mother… So while there was a slightly endearing quality to her for me, I always felt judged by her.

      My point is that I don’t think we can account for likability in broad sweeps. Looking at the face of it, the campaign is kinda just shit.