• doctorcrimson
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    Yesterday I thought this was a fair but controversial message to post after the massacre, but then today the deathtoll more than doubled and Israel is demolishing massive buildings. I feel like maybe they’ve skipped a few steps in their crusade for “retribution.” It’s not controversial at all anymore, that escalated fucking quickly.

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      This is generally the state’s military posture. They enact massively disproportionate collective punishment in response to any attack.

      Mass incarceration, cutting off resources like power, and military action are all used. It is extremely cruel and not likely to lead to deescalation.

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        not likely to lead to deescalation.

        If I were a cynic I’d suggest that might, perhaps, be the point.

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      What are they supposed to do when Hamas makes its bases in civilian buildings? Once they do that, it’s no longer a civilian building, it’s a valid strategic target.

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        Where do you suggest they ‘make a base’? Gaza is the densest populated place on earth, it’s a prison colony. It’s not like there’s land separate from residential areas available in Gaza that Hamas doesn’t want to use, any plot possible to build on has already been built on.

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          They wouldn’t need a base if they weren’t running a terrorist operation would they?

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            Reread your own comment genius.You said it was legitimate to target civilian areas because Hamas ‘made its base’ among civilians. Even accepting your premise that Hamas is running a terrorist operation, it’s still a war crime to bomb civilian targets the way Israel does.

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              Just had a quick look at Article 52 of the Geneva Convention, and from what I can see as long as the intel is solid regarding military use of a building, then it’s a legitimate target. It’s only dodgy if you aren’t sure of the use.

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                Interesting for an Israel supporter to raise international law. You know that occupation and annexation, forced removal of the local population and replacing them with your own population are all prohibited under international law right? And that the occupied population has the right to resist by any means, including violence? So why would you call Palestinian resistance to occupation terrorism then? It’s very much legitimate use of violence then, under international law.

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        Your comment almost reads as satire it’s so ridiculous. If there is any chance of civilians in the building:

        Establish surveillance around the building. Israel has surveillance companies that work as contractors for other nation’s military, including the USA. Surround the building, entrench soldiers, send in some sort of communication equipment (even just throwing in a walkie talkie), negotiate food and water as needed but generally starve them out. As a last resort, move troops through the building.

        If there is no chance of civilians in the building:

        Establish surveillance around the building. If no structural damage exists: move troops through the building.

        What Israel does:

        Bomb everything within 40m. Leave nothing intact.