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      Who’s the type of person that’s still undecided but would be swayed by some new relevation on Trump? At this stage you either don’t know anything because you don’t follow the news, you already know he’s a criminal and a piece of shit, or you just think the media is making stuff up because “they’re out to get him”.

      There’s no piece of news that could possibly change things at this stage, besides him dying or something.

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        I’d like to agree with this. But the fact is- we live in a reality in which not only a 34x convicted criminal/rapist is allowed to run for president, but has an actual chance to win.

        If this can happen, then so too can there be undecided voters.

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        This may not sway them to vote Kamala, but it absolutely may sway them to abstain from voting.

        I mean, think about all of those Michiganders who are staying out this year due to Gaza.

        Negative press absolutely can sway voters, even this late in the game.

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          Yeah, agreed. The whole Democrat talking point about Trump being worse is just so played out. If you personally care about the issue and if both choices to vote for are pro genocide, it’s definitely valid to stay home or vote third party. It’s the only leverage they have.

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        Keep in mind it also gives people canvasing to lower-information voters something to mention

        As an example, I was talking to someone undecided a bit ago who didn’t follow news super closely and said education was their top issue. They looked completely taken a back when I mentioned how Trump has said he wants shut down the department of education (both from him directly and it’s Project 2025)

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        The average American is dumber than a sack of rotting racoon flesh. Im not even talking about your average Redneck cause at least our collective cultural madness makes us smart on somethings, no Im talking about your average middle management type who have no redeeming qualities. They are annoyingly too stupid to even grasp the concept of local government let alone who the bad guy is and think Trump is just some harmless boring politician.

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          I think the allure was, and maybe still is, that Trump was not a normal or boring candidate. His invective dispositions guaranteed controversy and mayhem, with damage to “the system” guaranteed.

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        People that stupid must exist, because the Democrats seem to prefer those hypothetical voters over voters who would like a little less capitalism and genocide please.

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        100%.

        There’s no piece of news that could possibly change things at this stage, besides him dying or something.

        Here’s hoping. There is one minor cohort of voters out there still to get; Democratic/ Democratic leaning voters who can’t bear to vote for genocide. All other matters are settled. The idea of “swing” voters is this weird political mythology that just doesn’t manifest in modern (post 2000) elections. You don’t win an election post 2000 chasing after the center, you win it by driving out your side. Trump understands that and he’s done probably the best job he could have to do so. If you are a Trump supporter or lean Trump; you are voting Trump this election cycle and you are voting. If you are a Democrat or Democrat leaning, you are almost assuredly voting Kamala, but at least some small fraction of Democratic aligned voters are still holding back over the Israel/ Gaza issue. That small fraction, maybe 2-5% of totals voters, are the last remainder to be “got”. They won’t be “got” by Trump, but may can be left on the table by Harris.

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          Yeah anyone with a brain knows that it would be worse under a republican.

          People decrying genocide aren’t being honest. They know who the real warmongers are.

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            People decrying genocide aren’t being honest. They know who the real warmongers are.

            I’m sure calling people who oppose genocide dishonest is gathering heaps of voters for Kamala.

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      At this point, if a voter is conflicted between a prosecutor who has spent the majority of her life putting criminals away and a racist who has several felony convictions and several more pending, they are effectively Trump voters.

      It’s really that simple. Anyone else who tells you that they are undecided is because they are racist or they are okay with fascism.

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        My response to a similar rebuttal:

        I’d like to agree with this. But the fact is- we live in a reality in which not only a 34x convicted criminal/rapist is allowed to run for president, but has an actual chance to win. If this can happen, then so too can there be undecided voters.

        There will always be a grey area.