Senior Democrats in US cities are preparing to defend their communities in the event ofĀ Donald Trumpā€™sĀ return to the White House after the former president has repeated threats that he would use presidential powers to seize control of major urban centers.

Trump has proposed deploying the military inside major cities largely run byĀ DemocratsĀ to deal with protesters or to crush criminal gangs. He has threatened to dispatch large numbers of federal immigration agents to carry out mass deportations of undocumented people in so-called ā€œsanctuaryā€ cities.

He also aims to obliterate the progressive criminal justice policies of left-leaning prosecutors.

ā€œIn cities where there has been a complete breakdown of law and order ā€¦ I will not hesitate to send in federal assets including the national guard until safety is restored,ā€ Trump says in the campaign platform for his bid to become the 47th US president,Ā Agenda47.

TrumpĀ provoked uproarĀ earlier this week when he called for US armed forces to be deployed against his political rivals ā€“ ā€œthe enemy withinā€ ā€“ on election day next month. But his plans to use national guard troops and military personnel as a means to attack those he sees as his opponents go much wider than that, spanning entire cities with Democratic leadership.

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    No gun crime, that can be said quite easily. Or at least the numbers of shootings are small enough that they make international news when they happen.

    These countries also have safety nets and generally give a shit about their citizens. The usa doesnā€™t have any of that.

    And also, the cops in those countries tend not to shoot people or pets. Like ever. Cases where an officer is forced to discharge their weapon are also international news stories.

    We need to end qualified immunity here big time. Also something other countries(western) donā€™t have. 1 in 38ish deaths via firearms are from police. Thatā€™s including suicides which account for 66% of all gun deaths in the usa.

    But here in the states, we wouldnā€™t know any of that, because here there are two or three mass shootings per day.

    No there is not. This is the issue with data from the anti2a crowd, itā€™s like talking to the anti-abortion groupsā€¦made up and fully exaggerated shit.

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        Donā€™t know how many times Iā€™ve got to say this but the GVA is junk data.

        Here is one from the 2024 listā€¦it states 1 dead 9 injuredā€¦but if you go to the article referenced you have to go to another to see thatā€¦gang shooting surpriseā€¦

        https://www.wsmv.com/2024/10/14/police-say-five-people-involved-jefferson-street-mass-shooting-had-gang-affiliations/

        Even better is the 9 people injured, were injured after the shooting, and not from the gun fire(usually crowds panic and people get hurt from running). So no not what should be considered a mass shooting but itā€™s there because of some bullshit definition. The public hears mass shooting and thinks random person shot up a mallā€¦not ā€œgang members got into a fight and shot each otherā€

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          Are you saying that a gang shooting isnā€™t a mass shooting? Why? Are they not people?

          In countries with sensible gun laws, the gangs donā€™t have guns.

          The gangs still exist, because weā€™re humans, but they donā€™t have easy guns and thus, there are no mass shootings,

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            Are you saying that a gang shooting isnā€™t a mass shooting? Why? Are they not people?

            No itā€™s not what the public thinks of a mass shooting. You can stop pretending it is.

            In countries with sensible gun laws, the gangs donā€™t have guns.

            In countries with sensible gun laws ā€¦they never had 400+ million firearms in civ hands to startā€¦they also arenā€™t running a war on drugs that creates gangs like oursā€¦we literally created the cartels from our war on drugs.

            The gangs still exist, because weā€™re humans, but they donā€™t have easy guns and thus, there are no mass shootings,

            The gangs in other Western countries are like bikers gangs that go to ihop here in the statesā€¦ theyā€™re a fuckin joke.

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              So you claim the public doesnā€™t count gang members as people. Or gang victims, because gang related shootings donā€™t always result in just gang members being injured, quite often innocent people are caught up in it.

              But rather than being a racist jackass, letā€™s just accept the given definition of a mass shooting, Four or more people injured, not counting the gunman.

              See how simple that definition is? And no need to let racist bias pretend that some people arenā€™t people just because a gang member was somewhere near the shooting.

              Four or more people injured or killed, not including the gunman. Thatā€™s a mass shooting, and we had over 600 of them last year,

              Then you pretend that some gangs are worse than others. No, theyā€™re just better armed.

              And the old ā€œwe have too many guns to implement gun controlā€ bullshit. The vast majority of mass shootings are done with new guns, so simply stop selling new guns (and throw the CEOs of the gun companies in jail, but thatā€™s not for their reckless disregard for human life, all CEOs of major corporations should do a few years in jail)

              Also, youā€™re ignoring things like Australia, where they had more guns than people, and after a mass shooting, they said fuck this, and did a huge gun buyback coupled with actual gun control. Now Australia doesnā€™t have mass shootings. Amazing how that works.

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                So you claim the public doesnā€™t count gang members as people. Or gang victims, because gang related shootings donā€™t always result in just gang members being injured, quite often innocent people are caught up in it.

                No the public assumes a mass shooting is a random act. Not a gang shooting.

                But rather than being a racist jackass,

                The fuck? No where did I bring race into this discussion, you just didā€¦sounds like youā€™re assuming only minorities make up gangsā€¦

                letā€™s just accept the given definition of a mass shooting, Four or more people injured, not counting the gunman.

                Or not, because there isnā€™t really one.

                https://usafacts.org/articles/what-is-considered-a-mass-shooting/

                See how simple that definition is? And no need to let racist bias pretend that some people arenā€™t people just because a gang member was somewhere near the shooting.

                Lol youā€™re grasping here buddy. The majority of our shootings are gang related, meaning it was gangs doing the shooting. Not near the shooting, but you keep up that racism stickā€¦

                Four or more people injured or killed, not including the gunman. Thatā€™s a mass shooting, and we had over 600 of them last year,

                Again, thatā€™s what the GVA uses and itā€™s how the numbers get pumped.

                https://usafacts.org/articles/what-is-considered-a-mass-shooting/

                Congress goes with 3 or more killed even, not just injured.

                Then you pretend that some gangs are worse than others. No, theyā€™re just better armed.

                Lol not how that worksā€¦you seem to think gangs are all the same, when theyā€™re not. Our gangs arenā€™t hanging people under bridges like in Mexico, but sure itā€™s the arms they have.

                And the old ā€œwe have too many guns to implement gun controlā€ bullshit. The vast majority of mass shootings are done with new guns, so simply stop selling new guns (and throw the CEOs of the gun companies in jail, but thatā€™s not for their reckless disregard for human life, all CEOs of major corporations should do a few years in jail)

                The majority of them are had via straw purchases, which ā€¦are illegal.

                Also, youā€™re ignoring things like Australia, where they had more guns than people, and after a mass shooting, they said fuck this, and did a huge gun buyback coupled with actual gun control. Now Australia doesnā€™t have mass shootings. Amazing how that works.

                Australia never had more guns than people, they also had a 60% turn in rate. And now they have more guns than before the forced confiscation. Iā€™ve talked about this plenty before. 60% still leaves over 100 million guns in civ hands. Of which the majority will be kept by criminals.

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                  Injured is still shot, does it make it any less of a shooting if the person survived?

                  Are you seriously arguing that we donā€™t have a gun problem because people survive?

                  The rest of you nitpicks seem to be just random nonsense.

                  First it was that some shootings donā€™t count because a gang was involved. Are the victims any less shot due to a gang being involved?

                  Then you say, but thatā€™s not the definition of a mass shooting, people have to die for it to count. But are the survivors any less shot?

                  Then you ignore the fact that Australia implemented Gun Control. Say it again here, Gun Control. And look, no new mass shootings, regardless of the definition.

                  Buybacks and seizures to reduce the number of guns, and then strict controls on new purchases. A blueprint for functional gun control.

                  Unless that somehow doesnā€™t count, like all the people who have been shot that you just donā€™t seem to care about.

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        Donā€™t know how many times Iā€™ve got to say this but the GVA is junk data.

        Here is one from the 2024 listā€¦it states 1 dead 9 injuredā€¦but if you go to the article referenced you have to go to another to see thatā€¦gang shooting surpriseā€¦

        https://www.wsmv.com/2024/10/14/police-say-five-people-involved-jefferson-street-mass-shooting-had-gang-affiliations/

        Even better is the 9 people injured, were injured after the shooting, and not from the gun fire(usually crowds panic and people get hurt from running). So no not what should be considered a mass shooting but itā€™s there because of some bullshit definition. The public hears mass shooting and thinks random person shot up a mallā€¦not ā€œgang members got into a fight and shot each otherā€