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literally the easiest election ever for the democrats, and they will still lose to fucking low energy trump lol
Dang it’s almost like she was bottom-tier in the 2020 primaries for a fucking reason.
All Harris had to do was to even pretend to be progressive, but she had to jump on the ghoul train in order to impress 7 columnists. Why do they think that Negraponte and Cheney are good endorsements?
The dems were on a slight roll when they chose to do what the ‘left’ told them by replacing Biden and choosing Waltz for VP, but then decided to double down to pander to the right.
Her sister is married to an Uber executive. Her inner circle is a buch of people deeply involved with McKinsey, major banks, the Ford Foundation, etc. She is personally deeply embedded in the donor class, it’s not even about appeasing them, it’s the fact that she IS them
Capturing the donor class is far more important than getting votes. That’s why Citizens United exists - to make sure that politicians will always prioritize the donor class.
This is the one chance the Democrats have to become the new Republican party thanks to Trump burning bridges with all its traditional bourgeois base. It would be stupid not for them to take the opportunity.
They can capture the donor class behind closed doors. This move reeks of DC staffer conventional wisdom
Why closed doors when the voters don’t even matter to them? It’s a rebranding phase - the Democrats have to make it explicit to their new donors. You know, make them feel welcomed.
There is also no need for a “secret conspiracy” here because when politicians make their public statements, they are just talking to the donor class. This has always been the case. No need to hide behind anything when the voters don’t matter to you.
I don’t understand why people still keep trying to twist reality into fitting what they want to see, when everyone here knows deep down, the Democrats and the Republicans have always blatantly make statements without taking the voters into account. If this hadn’t been the case, public pressure and protests would have worked. But we all know they haven’t.
You are not that important. Only the top 1% matters.
Voters matter for the mandate, not for the policy. You’re conflating the two. Votes don’t change policy but the reason Dems are freaking out over 3rd parties and sending lawyers to purge from ballots and doing such a media blitz for Kamala against Trump is because they need the mandate from voters, especially in the swing states. There is always an aspect of doublespeak in public statements for both the donors and the voterbase, as well as backdoor and personal meetings to court donors. Saying they don’t need voters makes no sense; they only need a certain margin of voters but they still need them in order to be given the mandate for their wing of the political establishment to take power.
Bribers. They bring war profiteering bribers.
It really is one of the most incredible unforced errors of all time.
It’s the donors, it’s always the donor money that does this to them.
Exactly. They’ve siphoned off a lot of GOP donors and see that as a continually valid strategy
Considering how unhinged Wehrmacht Waltz is I don’t think that was a roll… but then again the bar is in hell
As far as I can tell Walz’s one good point is that he doesn’t personally seem to have China derangement syndrome.
Are we talking about the same guy? The dude claimed to have been at Tinyman square for the “massacre” (later redacted) and intentionally married on the 5th anniversary for political brownie points. He’s not completely deranged (ie. constantly spewing blood libel and marching to WW3) but it’s a low bar.
Yeah, that low bar is what I mean, most dems trip right over it.
If Kamala Harris loses to Trump, will it be more or less embarrassing than Hill-dawg’s loss? Probably has to be worse, right?
It felt like Hillary was trying to lose.
“Like wipe my server with a cloth?” - Hillary
no. Hillary faceplanting was embarrassing because of how unexpected it was; it’s understood that Kamala very well may lose, there’s just no way it can be embarrassing to the same degree.
having a ceiling of balloons ready to drop down for her supposedly imminent victory and those balloons never dropping was quite a moment.Would have been funnier if they came down, anyway. I think she might actually have cried.
I say worse absolutely. Trump is at like 10% power. He is a dry dry boy these days
Honestly I thought this would be a slam dunk for Trump after the assassination photo, then he completely failed to capitalize on that, then I thought it would be a slam dunk for Harris, then she did absolutely nothing to make her likeable and got an endorsement from Cheney. How are both presidential candidates so bad at running for president
Neither have anything to offer and they know it.
The mask is peeling off, Musk is already blatantly bragging about being the “shadow president” behind Trump like its something to be proud of.
Well he certainly isn’t becoming president the regular way given that he’s not a natural born citizen.
So “shadow president” is the best he can possibly get.
I just assume he’s fully possessed by the ghost of Kissinger. He’s got the inscrutable accent, bloodthirst, and Wormtongue bearing down already, so let’s see what his take on Cambodia is.
On the other hand Kissinger was a genuine strategic genius who orchestrated the downfall of the Soviet Union while Elon Musk can’t tie his own shoes because it doesn’t have AI booba
u fucking wot, m8
https://israelpalestinenews.org/dr-henry-kissinger-the-myth-of-the-great-statesman/
Or literally just search the phrase “the myth of Henry Kissinger” and read any of the numerous pieces along those lines to understand that you have been snookered by propaganda.
all the years of hysteria and bullshit from both parties and american voters are about to come out probably in record numbers to deliver the same result as a random number generator app
maybe Americans are smarter than I thought lol
From what I understand, Trump actually got chilled by the attempt, right? Like he actually had to stop and think about the world and his place in it for the first time in his life. I don’t know, I’m sorry to anthropomorphize a republican. I haven’t really been following. But he’s supposedly talented at reading the room, right?
Its been the democrats election to lose since swapping Joe out for Kamala, and i’ll be damned if it doesn’t look like they’re trying.
I remember when a poll showed “Generic unnamed Democrat” polling 8% better than Biden in some places. It was clear as day that voters wanted literally anything but Biden. When Biden dropped out people thought they’d be getting their wish, but every day since then, Kamala just keeps telling us that she’s gonna continue exactly what Biden did.
How is it not obvious to everyone that dems are controlled opposition?
Sure, they can reduce the imperial boomerang in reasonable amounts (but not too much) in their local places. But on a federal level they better lock in with the democrats to happily serve the American people all the exploitation they keep enthusiastically asking for.
I think a lot of it is people wanting to believe otherwise. I noticed this in myself when the Walz picked was announced and there was this initial surge of enthusiasm. Democrats were doing this “Republicans are weird” bit that worked hilariously well and Walz had a record of progressive policies in his state.
I live in Germany so US politics doesn’t affect me as directly as it does Americans, but the tiny part in me that still holds on to naive, liberal ideas saw that and was like “Hey, maybe the West’s descent into fascism will finally stop now and we can all go back to brunch! Wouldn’t that be lovely? Wouldn’t it be just lovely if the good guys took charge and you wouldn’t have to worry about all the horrible things in the world anymore? Wouldn’t it be nice to feel hope again after a year of unprecedented despair?”
Personally I was way too jaded and disillusioned to truly buy into that, but I could tell that I wanted to believe.
I don’t even see them as controlled opposition anymore. They’re competing (and generally friendly) fascist tendencies, nothing more- even the “reduce the imperial boomerang” is an overstatement, considering what we’re actually talking about is them simply “not engaging in internal colonialism/oppression as much (in certain specific places).” Klanmala’s history as a prosecutor is basically the textbook example of this.
At this point i fully believen that for the wider world, American elections are pointless. Who gives a shit about the next administrator of US imperialism. Wether its Trump or Harris, blood will keep being sacrificed to the blood god that is capital. International law has proven itself meaningless when war crimes are being comitted by the west and its allies, so what are institutions like the UN and the ICC supposed to be? The fact that western media still treats this election as some extremely important global event, with live updates starting as far back as july shows the utter derangement of the average western liberal. The emperor has no clothes but the west is tripping over itself to praise his sense of fashion.
I don’t know if I’m online too much, and I’m definitely not smart enough to put things together, but it seems like these next few years will determine the next few decades and neither Trump nor Kamala wants to deal with that. To elaborate, war is on the horizon, the targets are China, DPRK, Iran, and Russia, and the events are already being set in motion. The wars will be both cumbersome, expensive, and potentially unpopular and blame and vitrol will be on whoever wins this next election. So with that said, neither party really wants to win nor deal with whatever turmoil comes from these upcoming conflicts. If Democrats want to keep the very little bit of legitimacy they have, they’d lose the next election , blame Trump for the wars and economic downfalls, and pick up whatever is left in 4-8 years.
My timelime might be off though.
If Democrats want to keep the very little bit of legitimacy they have, they’d lose the next election , blame Trump for the wars and economic downfalls, and pick up whatever is left in 4-8 years.
I’ve seen some people float this idea. The Democrats are throwing this election so they can get Gruesome Newsome to the White House in 2028.
I think both of them REALLY want to be president, Kamala for the sheer prestige of it and for being the first black women to do it, and Trump at this point as a personal interest in staying out of jail. I doubt either of them think war is on the horizon and if they do they probably believe they can avoid it (Kamala by continuing the ukraine war and trump by ending it)
I doubt either of them think war is on the horizon and if they do they probably believe they can avoid it (Kamala by continuing the ukraine war and trump by ending it)
I have to disagree here. Both sides have been at least drumming up support to attack Iran, unsure how this will look at the moment, but they agree that Iran is their “biggest” target and are not shy in saying so. That rhetoric tied with the unwavering support for isntreal gives either side the consent to target Iran.
Yeah I throw my hands up regarding iran, legit don’t know what is real and what is just spectacle
Liberal media don’t want you to know this one trick that keeps them all in business…
It’s like they’re both trying to lose.
What’s even funnier is that all Kamala had to do was do the one thing democrats are good at: doing NOTHING! Just say they will take no more action in aiding Israel and Ukraine, and boom. EZ clap.
But no. Dems think that will “alienate the working class by being too woke” so they won’t do it.
No, that’s just strategic thinking for the long term.
The Democrats want to become the Republican Party. They have been explicitly trying to do so for the last few decades. Now they have a real chance of capturing the traditional bourgeois sectors that have always been core to the Republican base - the military industrial complex and the fossil fuel industry, and to a lesser extent, the national security state. Trump has managed to piss off all of them on top of the Wall Street finance capitalists that he himself is a part of.
Because of the way Citizens United works, no political party in America can win elections without campaign contributions. Capturing the donor class thus becomes the key priority to win elections. The Democrats can lose this election (they won’t though), but if they strip away the bourgeois donor base of the Republican Party and leave the latter with their Trumpian MAGA petty bourgeois voters, then the Republican Party is as good as dead.
This is why support from the Reaganites and the Cheneys are so important to the Democrats. They represent a new paradigm where traditional Republican donor class is now jumping ship to the Democratic Party. The Republican Party will end up being the MAGA culture war party with barren financial support to sustain their future electoral campaigns.
In other words, the Republican Party is cooked.
love your posts/POV, but disagree strongly.
The Dems are not becoming/ cannot become Republicans. if fusionist republican orthodoxy was sufficient to win, the GOP would still be doing it; Paul Ryan would be in his second term as president. it’s not, you need some popular juice, because only appealing to the donors is not sufficient. and yet, the Trumpist, pseduo-populist GOP still promises corporate/capital gains tax cuts; it will still be for exporting war and imperialism and deregulation of industry and markets, and there’s no way it loses fully the donor class, which itself has different interests and constituents.
the current harris attempt at triangulation only works, if it actually does, because Trump has unique weaknesses – attempting to foment a constitutional crisis, instead of peacefully transferring power, and pissing off, in a personal way, prior GOP powerbases. harris can attempt to appeal to the Never Trumpers to squeak over this electoral line, but that won’t be a viable long-term strategy: the WSJ readers will uniformly return to the GOP.
if anyone is cooked, its these waffling dems. the Obama coalition is collapsing in real time: the demographic inevitability/ ascendency thesis is no more, as the dems are hemorrhaging support from non-whites. woke-capitalist/imperialist rhetoric will not be enough after Trump: if the dems can’t provide material support to the non-college educated, many will be drawn to the inclusive, non-PMC-inflected cultural posture of the Trumpists.
You’re spot-on. The republicans are no stranger to factions and periods of weakness. They still manage to come back every time. The current state they’re in is nowhere near as dire as it was during the Great Depression era when articles were being made about their “inevitable” death.
This current period is closer to the Gilded Age when Democrats had support from big business and the added benefit of European immigrants largely favoring them. The Republican Party had many factions with a lot of members jumping to the very business-friendly Grover Cleveland.
People need to look harder at the Republican Party history to understand why they’ve been able to pull back after so many people over the years have prematurely declared them “dead.”
I dunno about that. The Republican Party is a political cockroach. It’s unkillable. Every time they’re cooked, they just survive inexplicably.
If after Trump they can find a new figure who can re-capture the appeal of the bourgeois elites, or if the Harris administration failed so badly that they ended up worse than Trump (never say never because the blowbacks in a multi-front war can be very real), then it’s a possibility.
But the paradigm shift right now happens because Biden has managed to regain the confidence of the bourgeois class - the war in Ukraine propelled weapons sales and defense contractor stocks through the roof, the US regaining its leading role as a global net exporter of oil and natural gas after the fossil fuel industry (literally the Bush family stronghold) got screwed hard by Trump, the national security state getting its wishes of finally having a war with Russia and Iran (and soon China), and the Wall Street are having fun with Bidenomics handling the inflation by sacrificing the working class to make the line go up. S&P has never been higher especially under such high interest rates and inflation.
All the bourgeois bases are consolidating around Biden’s performance, compared to how Trump had utterly failed advancing all of their interests from 2016-2020.
NGL, that kind of explains why we get all the smuglord fascists saying “if you’re the counterculture, then why are all corporations so blue?”
I know that in its current state the Working Families Party is just Democrats off-shoot, but I seriously hope they split.
Working Families-Farm-Labor-Progressive-Nonpartisan League
Just merge all the various left-wing fusion parties into one thing.
In other words, the Republican Party is cooked.
I want this timeline to be the one where the GOP pivots towards MAGA social democracy.
You mean MAGA fascism?
No, I mean they’ll pivot to something like MAGA communism except the “communism” is watered down to social democracy with herrenvolk characteristics. As part of domestic counterinsurgency, there will always be two parties. If the Democrats are going to pivot towards being the bad cop, the GOP will have to pivot towards being the good cop.
Trump is scared of
, not sure what Harris’s excuse is.
I may not be Dale Earnhardt
But I’m about to crash into the wall because I couldn’t turn left
I may not be Johnny Knoxville… But I ate shit, on live TV
Anyone notice their polling numbers started tanking as soon as it came out that
was consulting their campaign?Or maybe it was the Cheney announcement? Or Walz’s comments on Iran and Israel?
Boy I’m so excited for another 2016, I can already hear the quiet panicking and finger pointing on election night.
They switched from calling Republicans “weird” to being like “Okay, but we love Republicans, we’re adopting a bunch of their policies, and we’ll have Republicans in our administration” and the numbers dropped. Wow who could have seen this coming!?
And yes, all of this sounds like HRC’s strategists.
“We agree that immigrants are scary and dangerous, just don’t be weird about it, kay?”
Most honest democrats
When you put it that way
I’m pretty sure it’s actually Biden’s team that has been recruited. Though to be fair, Biden’s team was probably Hillary’s old team…so yeah…
oh those fingers are already pointed at us and have been since the beginning.
you know those wacky oversized foam fingers? they just went ahead and taped them to us a decade ago and relieved themselves of the need to ever self-crit
somehow last election felt like this too
trump will always be the dark horse to a fucking horrible democrat (all of them)
At least with Biden there was a gesture to the left, even if simply because he had to solidify his support after the primary with Bernie and Warren
Now they’ve just completely dropped all pretext of being a left-friendly party and have doubled down on being center-right. The only thing not present from 2016’s run is the open derision of left-leaning “bernie-bro” dems - but even then, there is a pretty deafening silence that’s hard not to interpret as contempt.
To me this feels way more like 2016 than 2020, but my memory might not be serving me that well.
Bernie Bros
Genocide Snowflakes, Terrorist Left, Hamas Left, Anti-Semite Left, Russian trolls, CCP trollsNot sure if they have settled on a name yet for who to blame.
Eh, those are perennial anti-communist slurs used by terminally online libs
IIRC Hilary actually used the term ‘bernie bros’. I haven’t heard Harris say anything directly accusational about the left yet, but they’ve been keeping a tight lid on her public comments so who knows if she would, given the chance. I keep waiting for her to call anti-war protestors ‘antisemitic’ - she’s gotten close but I don’t think she’s been direct about it yet.
At least with Biden there was a gesture to the left
What? No there wasn’t.
it timed pretty well with the VP debate (didn’t watch) but I would be surprised if that resulted in much difference given the large gap in favorability for the VPs
i wish i didn’t have look forward to the threads from the diet reddit instances of the lemmyverse; but it’s clear that .worlders are no different than redditors (aka your typical uninformed liberals) and i suspect that those threads will be the only source of joy out of this entire election.
i wish i wasn’t childish told-you-so pleasure that will be definitely fleeting since liberals can only convince themselves to learn about their situations and usually don’t bother.
Weird that their strategy of courting Republicans isn’t working, given there’s already a Republican candidate that appeals more broadly to Republicans (on account of saying out loud, “I’m a Republican”).
Are democrats that clueless about politics? Americans love love LOVE the GOP. They’re more loyal to it than their wives.
If they actually cared about progressivism, it would be much easier to recruit a bunch of white men allies, register as republicans, hide your power level and claim you’re fash and when you get elected do all the progressive stuff behind everyone’s backs.
There are a bunch of “moderate” Republicans that don’t like Trump because he’s an incompetent clown, they would rather have a competent fascist in power, I suppose that’s who Kamala is trying to appeal to. But if you ask me, the moderate Republicans will still vote Trump for the party behind him. The Dems have people like Warren and Bernie in their party who might do something pro-labor once in 4 years, so just vote NSDAP no matter who.
Nobody could have predicted that Republicans weren’t going to vote for a Black woman in the presidential elections.
After all, Republicans are famous for their acceptance of Black people and how well they treat women.
They probably think that Kamala wasn’t old and right wing enough. Next time they will select a 90 year old southern democrat who has dementia and that’s why he didn’t switch parties.
They’re gonna go with dick Cheney next aren’t they 😭😭😭😭
zombie strom thurmond
We have zombie Strom Thurmond at home.
Quick, somebody do the Jeb! map but for Joe Manchin.
George Wallace Jr., if he’s still alive. The bipartisan candidate.
