You say that like the US would not try to strong arm and threaten to break trade relations. This is something I 100% see happening, and I hope, and truthfully expect Mexico to stand up to, but it is something I see as very likely for the US to attempt
Its empty threats, they literally cant decouple from México. In fact many industries are moving their production to México in what they call “nearshoring” in an attempt to decouple from China. They can’t decouple from China and México at the same time.
This conjuction provides a ton of leverage for México, which fortunely coincided with the first nationalist gov in decades.
biden told mexico not to extend tax benefits for chinese near shore manufacturing for EV’s to protect american companies and that’s exactly what the mexico did last month; to the detriment of all mexicans.
caving to american influence to prevent jobs for mexicans is bad for mexico; but they’re chinese companies so it might be a wash anyways.
also it was very much american pressure that make nearshoring more difficult for the chinese companies; but some, like byd, have no choice but to expand anyways or die.
Fortunately for us mexicans, the USA has a lot in its plate at the moment with the active fronts and their plans to destabilize China with Taiwan. The current pressure over our country is with the reform of the judiciary branch, the energy sector(where even Washington’s John Kerry came to extort us) and their implementation of the migrant “solution”.
Some of the pressure is done through the NED funding of some prominent ONGs that in turn fund the opposition to Morena.
Sorry, I should have said “rupture” instead of “break”
I mean the relationship will rapidly change in ways that are hard to predict, and for the worse. Mexico is already seeking to join BRICS and attracting a lot of Chinese investment, these are antithetical to US interests.
This could also result in some Jakarta Method bullshit to remove her and install a US puppet to hunt down leftists.
This has been a talking point pushed by the (comprador) opposition to align us with “the axis of evil”, AKA the wrong side of history (fucking liberals) but its not true. Mexico is in an unique spot compared to other global south nations, our main trading partner is the US we cannot simply detach so its in our best interest to play both sides in this unique situation.
Very true. However, while playing both sides, we have fortunately gotten close to China and Rusia. If this trading partnership grows while the USA exhausts itself, it leaves us in a similar position as Brazil who is in both the G7 and BRICs.
not close enough to china to prevent the biden administration from successfully pressuring the mexican government to make chinese EV manufacturing as difficult as possible to protect american companies by withholding tax and legal benefits for any chinese company that wants to setup shop in mexico.
Fortunately, the impact of removing the tax credits is very small or even unrecognizable. Also, Chinese EV manufacturing is already being done in Mexico with no issues whatsoever because the main market is Mexico for those EVs:
Isidoro Massri, director of JAC in Mexico, assured that the prices of its models will not be affected after the end of the tariff exemption, thanks to the final assembly of its vehicles in the country, which allows them to avoid those additional costs. “We have a plant that allows us not to pay tariffs. When the product is assembled locally under the CKD (Completely Knocked Down) process, in which the modules are imported from China and assembled here, acquiring a Mexican VIN, no tariffs are applied,” he explained in an interview.
Even if you check the EV market in Mexico, the Chinese EV are taking a big share and it is expanding with every passing day regardless of the pressure from the USA.
also fortunately: some of those companies like byd have no choice but to expand or die; with or without subsidies.
i wonder how mexico will weather the next decade or so of american pressure driven by the one of the biggest and richest lobbying groups on this planet pressuring american presidents; congressmen & judges to make mexico & canada do its bidding to protect ford, gm and chrysler. (canada has already completely blocked them with tariffs like the americans did after similar pressure from the americans).
it’s not the first time mexico has been caught in a tug of war between the united states and the rest of the world, so i know that they have to experience to whether it; i just hope that the quality of life for the people i care about in mexico doesn’t continue to get worse as has been happening since the 1980’s.
Immigration, and particularly the visa program, is a factor of imperialist underdevelopment and dependency. The US vacuums up labor and then those workers send back remittances to their families, but because labor is the superior of capital it never makes up for the loss of labor power. Nevermind the fact that those workers often have their wages stolen and are subject to extremely dangerous working conditions.
Trump’s coalition seems to have plans to blow this whole relationship up through a denaturalization scheme. Instead of superexploitation of migrant workers, they want to turn people born in the US into noncitizens and use them instead.
Nightmarish, but it’s hard to see Mexico not pivoting towards the BRICS after that.
Trump getting reelected could produce a fundamental break between the US and Mexico.
lol thats bullshit, the us simply cannot break trade relations with mexico.
You say that like the US would not try to strong arm and threaten to break trade relations. This is something I 100% see happening, and I hope, and truthfully expect Mexico to stand up to, but it is something I see as very likely for the US to attempt
Its empty threats, they literally cant decouple from México. In fact many industries are moving their production to México in what they call “nearshoring” in an attempt to decouple from China. They can’t decouple from China and México at the same time.
This conjuction provides a ton of leverage for México, which fortunely coincided with the first nationalist gov in decades.
biden told mexico not to extend tax benefits for chinese near shore manufacturing for EV’s to protect american companies and that’s exactly what the mexico did last month; to the detriment of all mexicans.
TIL that not subsidizing foreign companies is bad for mexico!
It was not “biden order” or “US pressure” that led to these policies, it is completely consistent with the current nationalist goverment. It’s the same reason why Tesla doesn’t build their factory in Mexico, they’re not getting concessions like they used to before this goverment. And BYD is going to build their factory regardless (https://www.elfinanciero.com.mx/empresas/2024/09/03/byd-desmiente-pausa-en-construccion-de-planta-en-mexico-tendra-los-mas-altos-estandares-tecnologicos/), so it’s a W in my book. 🧏 🤫
caving to american influence to prevent jobs for mexicans is bad for mexico; but they’re chinese companies so it might be a wash anyways.
also it was very much american pressure that make nearshoring more difficult for the chinese companies; but some, like byd, have no choice but to expand anyways or die.
here’s a article describing how the mexican government gave into to the biden administration’s pressure: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/04/chinese-ev-makers-wont-get-subsidies-from-mexico-after-us-pressure/
Fortunately for us mexicans, the USA has a lot in its plate at the moment with the active fronts and their plans to destabilize China with Taiwan. The current pressure over our country is with the reform of the judiciary branch, the energy sector(where even Washington’s John Kerry came to extort us) and their implementation of the migrant “solution”. Some of the pressure is done through the NED funding of some prominent ONGs that in turn fund the opposition to Morena.
Sorry, I should have said “rupture” instead of “break”
I mean the relationship will rapidly change in ways that are hard to predict, and for the worse. Mexico is already seeking to join BRICS and attracting a lot of Chinese investment, these are antithetical to US interests.
This could also result in some Jakarta Method bullshit to remove her and install a US puppet to hunt down leftists.
Mexico has not expressed interest in joining BRICS actually, this has been officially debunked:
https://www.eleconomista.com.mx/internacionales/SRE-desmiente-que-Mexico-haya-solicitado-su-adhesion-a-los-BRICS-20240303-0058.html
This has been a talking point pushed by the (comprador) opposition to align us with “the axis of evil”, AKA the wrong side of history (fucking liberals) but its not true. Mexico is in an unique spot compared to other global south nations, our main trading partner is the US we cannot simply detach so its in our best interest to play both sides in this unique situation.
Very true. However, while playing both sides, we have fortunately gotten close to China and Rusia. If this trading partnership grows while the USA exhausts itself, it leaves us in a similar position as Brazil who is in both the G7 and BRICs.
Evidence -> (With China) https://noticiaslatam.lat/20240920/transporte-agricultura-y-hasta-deportes-la-presencia-de-china-en-mexico-crece-dia-a-dia-1157650849.html
-> (With Russia) https://noticiaslatam.lat/20240914/ciencia-tecnologia-y-cultura-mexico-tiene-un-la-oportunidad-de-estrechar-su-cooperacion-con-rusia-1157476472.html
Yes thats the advantage of playing both sides, we get concessions from both sides!
not close enough to china to prevent the biden administration from successfully pressuring the mexican government to make chinese EV manufacturing as difficult as possible to protect american companies by withholding tax and legal benefits for any chinese company that wants to setup shop in mexico.
Fortunately, the impact of removing the tax credits is very small or even unrecognizable. Also, Chinese EV manufacturing is already being done in Mexico with no issues whatsoever because the main market is Mexico for those EVs:
Even if you check the EV market in Mexico, the Chinese EV are taking a big share and it is expanding with every passing day regardless of the pressure from the USA.
https://expansion.mx/empresas/2024/08/26/subiran-de-precio-autos-electricos-importados-de-china
also fortunately: some of those companies like byd have no choice but to expand or die; with or without subsidies.
i wonder how mexico will weather the next decade or so of american pressure driven by the one of the biggest and richest lobbying groups on this planet pressuring american presidents; congressmen & judges to make mexico & canada do its bidding to protect ford, gm and chrysler. (canada has already completely blocked them with tariffs like the americans did after similar pressure from the americans).
it’s not the first time mexico has been caught in a tug of war between the united states and the rest of the world, so i know that they have to experience to whether it; i just hope that the quality of life for the people i care about in mexico doesn’t continue to get worse as has been happening since the 1980’s.
Why only Trump?
The break is inevitable.
Immigration, and particularly the visa program, is a factor of imperialist underdevelopment and dependency. The US vacuums up labor and then those workers send back remittances to their families, but because labor is the superior of capital it never makes up for the loss of labor power. Nevermind the fact that those workers often have their wages stolen and are subject to extremely dangerous working conditions.
Trump’s coalition seems to have plans to blow this whole relationship up through a denaturalization scheme. Instead of superexploitation of migrant workers, they want to turn people born in the US into noncitizens and use them instead.
Nightmarish, but it’s hard to see Mexico not pivoting towards the BRICS after that.
Mexico cowtows the American line; she was only allowed to say this because Biden wasn’t paying attention.
Once it’s brought to his attention; she’ll never mention Gaza again.
fuck off lmao, for once mexico is acting on its best interest
only a dumbass would believe that; this is neutral at best for their interests.
Biden doesn’t even have an attention span.