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      Excuse me, may I deposses you of this image? It would be a fine addition to my collection.

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        It’s so, so sad that none of them, or the FBI, has had to pay for their crimes. Not to mention all the other murders the US has committed around the globe. The people who planned and carried out these murders haven’t paid for them in the slightest.

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    White capitalism is what made black people slaves and pushed them into poverty.

    Perhaps we need new ideas that help everyone.

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        I mean, it gives deference to rich people, but when it was legal to discriminate against POC, they had a massive disadvantage in pretty much every aspect of their lives. Not perfect, but much improved now…

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          Also Black Wall Street got hate crimed off the face of the earth, so I’d say “white capitalism” is fair enough.

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      Africans enslaved and sold other Africans by the millions for centuries before white people arrived on the continent. Though they certainly made it worse when they did.

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        People enslaved their opponents in war for essentially as long as humans have existed, until we decided slavery was an evil we should avoid. However, this was not generally chattel slavery. Usually their offspring were not slaves and they were not bread to create more slaves, like livestock.

        This is a good read if you want to learn more.

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        I’m not sure you have enough of a historical framework on population to make the claim you’re mindlessly repeating, but I appreciate that you “people” out yourselves so readily so normal humans can avoid you. Good luck on truth social or Facebook or x I guess.

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    I agree, white capitalism is so last year, get with the latest fashion and use black capitalism.

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      “Black capitalism” is historically the approach of some African American* communities and individuals to resist racial oppression by embracing capitalism and out-competing whites in it, essentially. This met its most famous manifestation in Tulsa, Oklahoma, which developed a wealthy black capitalist class, but neighboring white towns got mad at this and basically leveled a good portion of the town and killed many people. For reasons beyond me, some liberals hold up Tulsa as some wonderful thing and proof that black people should just be more engaged in capitalism, and they ignore how the experiment ended.

      The most famous “black capitalism” proponent is the Jamaican-born American Marcus Garvey, who some Rastafarians worship as a prophet. To poison the well immediately, he was supported by the KKK in his projects to send African Americans “back to” Africa, because their ideologies and aims of ethnonationalism broadly aligned.

      *It’s mostly an American thing, but it’s not exclusively an American thing by any means

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        So… corporate collusion between black businesses owners? I suppose that would equalize the market a bit if they do manage to kick down corps like amazon

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        For reasons beyond me, some liberals hold up Tulsa as some wonderful thing and proof that black people should just be more engaged in capitalism, and they ignore how the experiment ended.

        The easy answer is that racism destroyed Tulsa, not capitalism. Were it not for racist fucks, that experiment would have worked wonderfully. But that’s a tale as old as time, unfortunately.

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          If racism just sprang from the ground or from defects in people’s souls, that would make sense. Racism is a superstructural tool of capitalism. It’s a little more obvious how the two are in union when you look at things like the Transatlantic slave trade, but keeping black people as an underclass serves in capital’s interest too this day.

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      Capitalism has always had a form of race, but it’s a social hierarchy.

      Class.

      It has always been class. The lie that gets sold to middle America is that one day, they too will be of a higher class.

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      Doesn’t matter when the cost of living is outpacing wages, the poverty line is held artificially low and the wealth gap is growing absurdly fast. Material conditions are getting significantly worse, and telling people “uhm actually the poverty rate is lower” doesn’t help people pay rent or put food on the table.

      Feudalism is alive and well and it’s name is capitalism, and I’m not alluding to some vague comparison I mean it literally. Farmers in the US specifically are increasingly working land they do not own because it’s bought up by investors and private equity. Bill Gates owns a fuck ton of farmland but he sure as hell isn’t working it.

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      If you’re comparing things to what existed before capitalism was coined, sure. Yeah, we’re doing better than literal fudalism, which was still a capital and hierarchy based system. No one is asking for a return to fudalism though! It very easy to say “we’re doing better than them so we need not try to improve.” It’s not helping anyone though, except those who benefit from maintaining the status quo.

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      No, most of the world is capitalist, and most of the world is poor. Only a minority of imperialist capitalist countries, primarily in europe and the US, have wealthier populations due to hundreds of years of colonial exploitation

      In fact world poverty is increasing, if we exclude China and it’s poverty eradication efforts.

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          That’s just not true. In the US for example we know wealth was less concentrated in the late 1700’s, early 1800’s, and then again with the New Deal after the Great Depression. In fact the wealth gap in the US alone is higher now than it’s ever been, including during the Gilded Era.

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    I mean, it helped bolster rationale for enslaving black people. It’s fair to say that capitalism tips the scales, steals your car, and then runs over your neighbor before disappearing with your spouse and your dog/cat.

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      It didn’t just bolster the rationale for enslaving black people, it largely executed the Transatlantic Slave Trade. Those boats weren’t publicaly owned, and neither were the captured slaves, the slavers were entrepreneurs and their employees doing business.

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    Thank fuck.

    White people get pegged for rich people bullshit too much.

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    Or maybe race doesn’t really exist outside our dumb little brains and capitalism was the real problem all along

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      Capitalism or socialism or anything else is irrelevant when most people are dumb, easy to manipulate and ready to harm others. There will always be someone willing to be a leader of these people, harming others to gain something.

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      Brains are part of the world, and so are human behaviors. So long as racism exists, race as a sociological category is undeniably real.

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        Indeed brains are real and we are really fucking good at making the consequences of said brain’s beliefs just as real. But, recognizing that things such as race have absolutely no scientific, empirical basis whatsoever is kinda a really important step in repairing the racist damage that we’ve done. Race is only useful in sociology as long as we continue to pretend it exists, otherwise it serves no purpose other than as an excuse to hate each other.