• aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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    I know this is going to be a controversial comment, but this is a necessary statement from Putin. The concept of MAD fails to exist if one side allows itself to be attacked without any response. That’s how the world ends up with a hot war between nuclear powers, and the inevitable escaltion to a nuclear exchange. Long range strikes into Russia using NATO weapons need to be avoided at all costs. NATO leaders are playing with fire, they need to be reminded that fire burns.

    • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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      521 day ago

      It doesn’t seem that controversial to me. NATO is the aggressor and has had an agressive stance toward the Russian Federation since the coup they backed brought it into existence. They’ve been playing with fire for 30 years. They can’t even feel the temperature anymore because they feel entitled to consequence free bombing campaigns. I hope Putin’s message works and gets these rabid NATO wardogs to back off

      • anarcho_blinkenist [none/use name]
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        2421 hours ago

        they had been aggressing before that too; they put missiles in Turkey first, originally causing the Cuban missile crisis – then refused to ratify the already-agreed-on Salt II treaty (put doi# into sci-hub), while instead Bzrezinski and Carter financed and trained terrorists and warlords who r*pe children and throw acid at schoolgirls directly to create terror and crises in Communist Afghan which bordered SSRs with which there were many exchange and education programs so that they could push the USSR into a “vietnamese quagmire,”; which eventually grew into such a catastrophic organized international-terrorist-fueled civil war scenario that after the DRA had already asked for assistance 20 times and was being rebuffed even as Soviet advisors and ambassadors were murdered with their families by extremists, the Soviets eventually decided to choose what they deemed the “least bad” option and invaded. (China also helped the muhajideen terrorists, including facilitating CIA/ISI training camps near Xinjiang, and created their own blowback for that. Post-split Chinese foreign policy was UNHINGED and SHITTY DOO DOO ASS and I’m thankful they wised up into non-intervention).

        and then after all that played out and the US backed the Yeltsin coup where he abolished the parliament impeaching him and shelled the building killing hundreds, the US continued as being the ones as you said been the aggressor. It was them backing out of every missile treaty one by one, after and while and remilitarizing Europe and expanding ever eastward in a move sponsored directly by arms dealers of whom Democrats are beneficiary, being heavily patronized and vice-versa by those same death-merchants. .

        The US and its EU vassal-cartel and their NATO military vanguard-of-neocolonialism for which IMF and World Bank are the preeminent institutional entities of, have always been the aggressor. It’s so bizarre western media calls Putin like he’s an unhinged megalomaniac who only knows violence when in reality he’s an incorrigible neolib who had deluded himself and others for decades the US might ever listen to their concerns and be anything different than a relentless aggressor. And Putin had been an incorrigible moderate against most of the Duma (from Communists to rightwingers) during all of this Ukraine stuff since 2014. If they had gone in in 2014 and said “absolyutna nyet” after the nazi-spearheaded coup, which many had pushed for and continued to over the years, there might have been 1000-2000 dead at most and none of this shit would have become so horrendous. But instead he only pulled the trigger on Crimea because of the Black Sea Fleet and otherwise continually blocked the Duma’s demands, and dragged feet on and undermined the DNR/LNR demands and requests, instead letting them get shot and tortured and murdered and smashed out of Odessa and Kherson and Mariupol by Nazis and suffer a bunch of awful political struggles and protracted violence and shellings; while the west NATO empire openly armed and trained more and more of the overtly anti-Russian military and fascist groups to be a battering ram for the largest most violent empire that has ever existed, the USA.

        He stood as an incorrigible collaborationist moderate pushing for agreements and compromises with the west, who anyone with a brain could tell was never intending on following through with any of it BECAUSE THEY WERE THE DRIVING FORCE OF IT ALL GOING THIS WAY IN THE FIRST PLACE; while allowing not only the arming and training of the openly anti-Russian military and militias operating in Ukraine to kill Russians; but also allowing the corrupted growth of an entire generation, now today old-enough to fire a gun, have the most formative years of their upbringing guided through Azov and C-14’s state-funded Nazi “education centers,” Nazi “community organizations,” and Nazi-youth military summer-camps; that if Putin was half the comicbook villain western liberals think he is, or if he had just remembered his Soviet education — his dialectical- and historical materialist education which he undoubtedly got; he would not have held such delusions and the world wouldn’t be teetering over nuclear oblivion like this with so many pointless tens-to-hundreds-of-thousands dead and half a million wounded, и за что? зачем?

    • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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      919 hours ago

      Not controversial at all, I just hope Western politicians actually take heed for once, I’d prefer not to die because of these frothing fascist NATO assholes nato-cool

    • @Amanduh@lemm.ee
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      012 hours ago

      Wait so russia is allowed to destroy all of Ukraine but gets upset once ukraine starts blowing stuff up in russia?

      • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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        If NATO weapons are used in long range strikes in Russia, if would require NATO service members to input the targeting information, and NATO satellites to guide the weapons. That is why Russia would then consider these NATO countries to have carried out an attack on Russian soil in such a scenario. Ukraine is more than welcome to carry out long range strikes into Russia with its own capabilities and weapons, with it’s own military service members inputting the targeting data, in fact they have done so many times before, with success. I’m sure you can appreciate the difference between the two scenarios.

        Secondly, one has to ask if the US and NATO wants to open this “Pandora’s box” in effect. If they can give Ukraine, or any other proxy, advanced long range weaponry to strike at Russia, Russia can respond in turn. There have already been talks between Russia and the Houthis/Ansarallah on the acquisition of advanced Russian anti ship supersonic cruise missiles, such missiles could present a serious threat to the US Navy in the region. There are many US military bases around the world, and many groups of people that want them gone. These groups would take Russian weapons in a heartbeat. This is before we even talk about anti satellite weaponry, nuclear testing, and any other myriad of responses. I’d prefer if we keep this “Pandora’s box” closed.

  • if there are any aliens observing us, now would be a great time to do an anti-imperialist intervention followed by some intergalactic communist nation building. we are all held hostage by western imperialists playing nuclear chicken with the rest of the world. a planet-wide hostage bomb vest where multiple factions have the button, in this scenario the faction with the least reluctance to use it will get their way. america and its vassals have been recklessly testing these nuclear boundaries, someone or something must put a stop to it.

    • @acabjones@lemmygrad.ml
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      Yo, I love the idea of enlightened benevolent aliens making humanity abandon its nukes and go commie. I feel like Ive heard narratives along these lines before but can’t remember where or more detail. Is this a trope or present in scifi or UFO speculation?

      • idk just what i’ve taken from the meme version of posadism, seems hard to rally planetary resources/energy for interstellar travel if you are busy giving all of your resources to inbred monarchs or finance ghouls and making economic decisions based on artificial gambling (stocks) and the short term profit of several large scale scams.

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    This is a threat against the UK. There was an emergency cobra meeting yesterday that was performed during the labour conference which definitely wouldn’t have been planned and it will have been because of this.

    They pretended it was about Israel but we all know Labour’s position on that so it won’t have been it.

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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      271 day ago

      Yeah if the UK want to allow Ukraine to use Storm Shadow missiles for long range strikes into Russia, it would require UK military service members to input the targeting information, and UK military satellites to guide the missile. Such an escalation is unacceptable to Russia.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        US is operating from those bases so it would be interesting if they did.

  • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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    321 day ago

    What exactly would the missiles accomplish? Let the Ukrainians let throw more soldiers into a pointless meat grinder for a while longer? I want to strangle every single Western politician

    • MoreAmphibians [none/use name]
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      321 day ago

      Ukraine’s only way of winning is direct US/NATO intervention. So their only hope is to keep escalating and hope something happens. If Russia has an unmeasured response and begins attacking the NATO planes guiding Ukraine’s attacks or commits civilian reprisals then that might be enough to get the US directly involved (maybe).

      • Mantikora [none/use any]
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        I’m going to get so downvoted for this, lol. Wasn’t Putin who attacked Ukraine? So who is escalating? At this moment we have two major criminals who are stubborn over their goals and won’t stop fucking killing and wars. Fuck them all. You can’t shit on USA and praise Russia. Same scummy coin, just different sides. They would all like to rule the world, fuck them.

        Also, stupid Putin ruined the only paradise in the world, Chernobyl. You see, years after the nuclear accident, nature in Chernobyl started to flourish, animals came back because there was no humans there. A fucking paradise, I tell you. And then fucking Putin’s troops march through Chernobyl, raise the radioactive dust and scare my animals with their war machines. So fuck that guy. I don’t know why are you defending that asshole here, but he’s an asshole and a murderer.

        • I’m going to get so downvoted for this, lol. Wasn’t Putin who attacked Ukraine? So who is escalating? At this moment we have two major criminals who are stubborn over their goals and won’t stop fucking killing and wars. Fuck them all. You can’t shit on USA and praise Russia. Same scummy coin, just different sides. They would all like to rule the world, fuck them.

          I can shit on both, i can also conveniently allow russia to shit on the west and find it funny. NATO escalated first, america escalated first, not just in 2014, but in 1991 when they made the soviet union collapse. In every year since 1917 where they attacked and strangled the soviet union in its cradle. America created the conditions for Putin in the first place, america created the conditions for this whole conflict, and america exploited it for profit. And then we have you idiots ditzing about wondering why things happen lmao. Russia is a shitty corpse of humanity’s hopes and dreams that AMERICA made and should rightly be blamed for. Ukraine did everything America told it to do, and its going soooooooooooo well for them.

          Russia might want to rule some of ukraine, and definitely wants to throw its weight around, but America is the only country that has shown aggression towards every nation. Russia increases trade and aid relations, america brings debt, coups, and corruption.

          So can you please shut your damn mouth and fuck off to whatever stupid corner of the internet you came from?

          Also, stupid Putin ruined the only paradise in the world, Chernobyl. You see, years after the nuclear accident, nature in Chernobyl started to flourish, animals came back because there was no humans there. A fucking paradise, I tell you. And then fucking Putin’s troops march through Chernobyl, raise the radioactive dust and scare my animals with their war machines. So fuck that guy. I don’t know why are you defending that asshole here, but he’s an asshole and a murderer.

          Calling the remains of a irradiated city in a corrupt reactionary backwater state ‘the only paradise in the world’ is peak fucking stupidity. ‘my animals’ who are you the fucking lorax? God what even are you lmao?

        • MoreAmphibians [none/use name]
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          Ukraine was already at war with the Donbas republics when Russia intervened. The order is events is as follows. Russia recognizes Donbas republics --> Ukraine massively escalates the shelling of the Donbas republics --> Russia invades Ukraine. The central Ukrainian government repeatedly refused to actually abide by any of the ceasefires it had signed and was shelling its separatist regions on-and-off for eight years while Putin stood around with his thumb up his ass.

          The animals in Chernobyl seem to still be doing fine as far as I can tell. Scientists are still studying them and publishing papers. There were was some extra radiation revealed by the dust being kicked up but animals don’t really care about that, it’s why Chernobyl became a wildlife haven in the first place.

          We don’t have downvotes here.

  • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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    401 day ago

    See?

    This is why I practiced end of world survival

    While everyone else is running around screaming, I’ll be filtering my water with tree bark, clay and coffee filters

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    Prediction: Nothing will happen, Putin will let the red line to be crossed.

    The whole US strategy has been betting on Russia and China not dare to do anything while the US continues to bully the rest of the world, because nobody in Russia and China wants to start a nuclear war.

    Russia had been very careful with Ukraine’s “special military operation” so as not to trigger a wider war, but even Putin knows that a nuclear attack means total war.

    This is why all the talks about “US military is overstretched and won’t be able to handle multi-front wars” is nonsense, because it will never come to that. The US has placed its bets that Russia and China have decided it will be too risky to poke the US that way, and if they do get involved, they realize that what follows can only be a nuclear exchange where everyone loses.

    So, the US will continue to get what it wants from the world because nobody really wants total war. It is a bold gambit but it might just be the one that works.

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      I think the most likely response from Putin would be to arm the Houthis/Ansarallah with advanced anti ship missiles, along with selling Iran advanced weaponry. Russia has lots of these missiles in storage, Ukraine has no navy that can be targeted with them. If NATO wants to open Pandora’s box and give advanced weaponry for long range strikes to a proxy in Ukraine, Russia can absolutely do the same thing in the Middle East.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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      So far the only actual red line that was laid out by Russia was Ukraine joining NATO, and when that line was crossed we got the war. Pretty much all the other red lines have come from the west, like when the US said they wouldn’t send missiles, tanks, F16s, and so on because it would be a dangerous escalation. Then the west would cross their own red lines, and say that see nothing bad happened.

      Russia’s statement on long range strikes into Russia is the second red line that was actually stated by Russia, and I don’t think it’s a bluff either.

    • iByteABit [comrade/them]
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      That’s the thing though, as long as common sense still exists and neither party is willing to use nukes aside from threats, they still have to fight the US with all the other means. That means that the US will have to cope with multiple fronts at once as the war spreads out in the world, and there must be a tipping point where they just can’t handle them all anymore.

      • xiaohongshu [none/use name]
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        This is why the US is doing the slow trickling method, sending a few tanks and planes at a time to Ukraine to have them blown up by Russia.

        It can do this for a very long time as long as it is not American servicemen who gets killed, and as long as it is not in direct open conflict with Russia and China. Instead, hundreds of thousands of soldiers from foreign countries will fight each other to their death while the US just watches by the sideline, providing materiel support and intelligence/targeting feed as needed.

        • @birdcat@lemmy.ml
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          131 day ago

          i get that viewpoint but isnt there a moment where they go like am i testing my weapons and make money, or am i just training my enemy and improve their capabilities?

          • xiaohongshu [none/use name]
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            The true power of US imperialism lies in its financial warfare.

            Every equipment blown up means new contract for the defense industries, it means GDP goes up. Doesn’t even matter if the equipment works or not - for example, F-35 is plagued with problems but still a trillion dollars were spent on it. All these contribute to the strength of the US dollar, which it can then leverage to wreck the Global South countries.

            The reason the US can do this is because the fight for industrial capital had ended in the 1990s with the dissolution of the USSR. The US and Europe were able to financialize the entire un-monetized Soviet industries that they accumulated so much finance capital that it made possible the hyper-leap into fully financialized economy. This allowed the European Union, the eurozone, the WTO (previously GATT) to be formed, and the rise of Europe as a financial adversary to the US had resulted in the endless Balkan conflicts at the European peripheral (to check the European growth), the Iraq War (to prevent Saddam from selling oil in Euro), and the Ukrainian Civil War in 2015 and the current Russia-Ukraine War since 2022 (to prevent Nord Stream 1 and 2 from the provision of energy sovereignty to Europe).

            Think of it this way: just as the Northern industrialists prevailing over the Southern semi-feudal slaveowners during the American Civil War enabled the proliferating industrial capital to gain so much capital from consolidating the wealth of the Southern plantation owners that it allowed America to hyperleap into the plane of fully industrialized economy. The South had made fortunes supplying raw materials like cotton to England and France that were undergoing Industrial Revolution in the 1800s - the real reason for the American Civil War because expansion of industrial capital was threatened by the reinvigoration of the slave economy thanks to the Industrial Revolution.

            The American Civil War allowed the North to hyper-leap into the plane of industrial capitalism, just as how the end of the Cold War allowed America to hyper-leap into the plane of finance capitalism. War machines are no longer made to fight wars or even to be functional as were the days of industrial capitalism, but as products to make fictitious GDP goes up, which then transforms into actual American diplomatic and economic leverage over the Global South.

            And the US is never going to get invaded as long as it has nukes. Any hot war necessarily means nuclear exchange, because the US military simply does not have the capacity to fight against Russia and China.

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      but what if isreal starts nuking (honestly the only [word not found] i can see doing it), who else will follow and nuke who?