Why are politicians not accountable for spreading lies? Not even ridiculous ones like this?
Stochastic terrorism needs to have more severe criminal penalties for career politicians specifically. Right-wing figureheads have been getting away with this shit for too long.
We’re now penalizing the parents of school shooters, so if we find out that someone who threatens to bomb a school is a super fan of X person, then X person should face some sort of penalty if they continually put out deliberate lies about said school. We did a version of this with Alex Jones already, just follow through with that logic honestly.
They’ve already ruined their reputations themselves, honestly keep it up🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
And for the half of Americans that continue to support them without question after having done so, honestly. Half of the American flag should be drenched in sewage to reflect how they are leaving the reputation of the US within and outside of it.
I don’t think half of Americans support him.
Trump isn’t ever going to actually go to jail. That would set a precedent for us to actually keep our political leaders accountable, and that ain’t happening.
If anything, they’ve done everything to excuse outright corruption in the US government. SuperPACs, bribes, it’s all getting legitimized. You can’t even hear reports criticizing civil asset forfeiture not only because the practice is so widespread, but now people are more concerned about even worse things. A massive and overcrowded private prison system being used as a system of low or non-existent labor akin to slavery? Last decade’s news.
Please, tell me how the US was founded as a revolution from tyranny and corruption again. Was that the policy when manifest destiny trampled on native American lives and left them in enclosed casinos? The US has always been about colonizers and subjugation, and even to this day continues to support modern world colonizers who, lacking the absence of modern civilization, rationalize the natives as militants when they oppose and make sure to place them besides terrorists. It speaks volumes to the sad state of global affairs that they are still the better option in terms of global superpowers to ally with.
The US compares itself to and lets itself be shaped by the lowest common denominator. Anything better, too socialist - but nevermind the small group of oligarchies power is organized around who do get the socialist treatment anyway.
Learning about USA history in high school radicalised me.
As you said, manifest destiny was just the same old colonialism they claimed to oppose, just with a religious excuse.
The US education system does teach US history and critical thinking, but applying it to itself is another thing entirely. The means are still there, so it’s no coincidence that there has been a movement to shaft the US education system an promote things like homeschooling.
there will be parades and celebration on his death though. hell never be forgotten, but not the way he wants.
I think it would be pretty hilarious if this was the thing that got Trump in jail. Aaaaaall the other stuff? Nah. but this Springfield hoax? Yeah we got to do something about that.
Al Capone got put away for Tax Evasion, so anything is possible I guess.
If only the IRS had the teeth now as it did then, we’d never heard about this trump fellow.
We probably would have heard about him going to prison in the 80s.
Hang 'em both.
“there’s no room for political violence”
LOL /s
fuck both those ass holes
Tempted to remove as “Fox by Proxy” but here’s an alternate source which confirms the story and raises an excellent point:
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/25/g-s1-24436/haitian-group-charges-trump-vance-springfield
“If it were anyone else other than Trump and Vance who had done what they’ve done — wreak havoc on Springfield, resulting in bomb threats, evacuated and closed government buildings and schools, threats to the mayor and his family — they would have been arrested by now,” Chandra said. “They are not above the law.”
Chandra said the U.S. Supreme Court’s July ruling granting ex-presidents broad immunity from criminal prosecution does not apply in this case because Trump is currently a private citizen and Vance was not acting in his capacity as a senator when he amplified the rumors that members of Springfield’s 15,000-member Haitian community were eating people’s pets.
"If it were anyone else … they would have been arrested by now,” Chandra said. “They are not above the law.”
Those two sentences don’t add up.
Yeah. “They shouldn’t be above the law.” works better.
They add up to “therefore they should be attested”.
“They are not above the law” is the justification for calling for their arrest.
@just_another_person@lemmy.world Looks like Rawstory heard the complaints and modified the headline on you.
The new headline is “Trump and Vance face criminal charges over Springfield hoax”
If you could make this match, that would be great!
I’m beginning to think RawStory exaggerates their headlines for clicks. An organization has asked a court to arrest them, a FAR cry from facing immediate arrest.
RawStory faces immediate arrest for spreading disinformation and falsely representing ongoing legal situations!
Ha, I wish!
Edit: Wait… If we send a message to a court, we can make it happen!
Also, gotta ask, is your name from the old Marvel villain or?
Nope, that bastion couldn’t tolerate the existence of mutant powers. This bastion, not only has no problem with mutant powers, but downright enjoys them.
I notice you’re not denying the super powered robot from the far future part…
Wow. Just looked into your comment history. Wow.
Seems you really need some good things in your life. Let us know if we can help.
? What in there got you so upset? The notion that playing sports could be fun? The horror of someone, ugh, criticizing communism?
I’m genuinely surprised and morbidly curious.
But they’re right tho
Wow. Not you too.
jk, I checked, op is definitely the one out of line here - no idea what they’re on about actually
This comment makes you look like a bot. You didn’t reference a single thing they said and it wasn’t even a controversial statement. Looks like you’re the one that needs some help.
I’m not going to look into the parent poster’s history, but they are right. As much as I despise Trumpists, the GOP and the media enabling them, RawStory is no better. Whenever I see such headline, I get to say “let me guess… yup. RawStory.” I’m this close to blocking them. I’m done with yellow press, be it from Fox News, Breitbart or, yes, RawStory. Give me something more objective, like APNews*, for example.
*I don’t like APNews movie critics, to be fair.
I looked. The guy is pretty normal.
wow, just read this comment, wow, what a string of words ordered in such a specific manner to demonstrate a specific concept.
Seems like you just need some more strings of words in your life. Let us know if you need any examples of better or different strings of words.
He’s fine.
He’s also right. The headline is shit.
They really aren’t
In their comment history, I see discussing exercise, talking about their (positive) social interaction with their community, and arguing (politely) about niche leftist issues. You may not like it, but this is the ideal lemmy lifestyle. Yours is a bunch of catty speculation at other people needing help because they disagree with you.
You’re not helping anyone.
Seems like you two visit all the exact same threads, huh? Not weird at all.
Touch grass.
Seems like you’re projecting when you claim others might need help.
There aren’t many people here I see the same people in almost all the threads I post in here
I absolutely despise Donald. But RawStory headlines are nearly as false as the drivel coming out of his mouth.
Organization seeks ‘immediate arrest’ of Trump and Vance over Springfield hoax
Fixed the title. I read nothing to suggest that Trump or Vance are currently in any danger of being arrested in Springfield, Ohio.
Yeah, they do not “face immediate arrest” there have been calls to arrest them, but they face nothing.
I know the hexbear community loves that comic. Where is it from and what is the context?
It’s from the Onion! The artist is Ward Sutton but he’s drawing the comics from the point of view of a character named “Kelly” who is a parody of an old right wing guy (according to the Internet) who hates political correctness, hence the exaggerated scenarios in the comics. The “haha yes” sickos guy (who I guess sometimes shows up in a thought bubble) usually feels like a parody of how the right views various left wing policies in that the comic overplays / exaggerates the disastrous effects of said policies (to make fun of how absurd those fears are) while the “leftist sickos” cheer on the disastrous results.
The comics basically make fun of how extremely the right views progressive policy and the sickos guy is kind of pointing out how absurd it is to view someone as bad faith (ie a sicko knowingly cheering on the disastrous effects of a progressive policy) who supports something as simple as green energy, drug legalization, or bike lanes. It’s fun to use as a reaction image to anything progressive happening because obviously wanting something like for example affordable healthcare obviously doesn’t make you a sicko. (Or in this case wanting a terrible person to actually face actual legal consequences for the harm they’ve done)
Thanks for explaining!
As fucking if lmao
“There’s nothing special about Trump and Vance that entitles them to get away with what they’ve done and are doing,” the attorney added. “They think they’re above the law. They’re not.”
Except for the Senate Republicans who would not hold their own accountable for crimes they committed or the federal supreme Court Justice feeding Trump’s attorney legal advice to use in the lower courts. And the billions in PAC funds and trinket grifts used to campaign for politicians and appoint judges who are loyal to them above the Constitution and citizens. And anything Trump did as president is legal if he says it was part of the job. Except for those facts sure they’re just like you or me in the eyes of the law.
Yeah, you can’t even pretend that Trump isn’t above the law when the Supreme Court has literally ruled that he is at their discretion.
Technically the ruling was for
crimesofficial acts he committed while in office.He’s no longer president and holds no privilege, except being the Republican nominatee for President. Which apparently is a protected class.
Correct. Regardless, it has been codified that he IS above the law in some cases. Slippery slope is not a fallacy in this instance.
even as a president, this wouldn’t be protected under the immunity act, only presidential actions. Speaking to the public, as far as i am concerned is not considered to be a core “presidential action” in the government.
SCOTUS has decreed that SCOTUS alone can determine what is an official act.
I believe this would be a state issue though, so some of that doesn’t apply.
So this is the real reason why Trump cancelled his Springfield visit.
Trump’s scared that Vance’s family will eat Laura Loomer
I don’t understand. Is Laura Loomer a brand of couch I haven’t heard of?
Yes. Please don’t research Laura Loomer any further
I think she’d have more to be worried about with Robert Kennedy around talking to Trump. Trump is so easy to control and that dude needs help.
If you ever needed to plumb the depths of American bigotry, it’s Trump appearing on stage glad-handing a dog eater and then making up some bullshit about Haitians.
I thought it was when he had a public meeting at his home with a fucking self-admitted Nazi.
“i’m still voting for trump!”
–this fucking guy
Sonos DeWine, that shady fuck.
All the lawfare makes me more likely to vote for Trump every day.
Seeing the existing power structure try all this anti democratic bullshit to take him down makes me think he must have something they don’t.
More likely to vote for a bigot & rapist? Sounds good lol
Yea the anti-democratic bullshit like lemme check my notes making him accountable for the countless felonies he committed?
Get the fuck out of our America you traitor trash.
LOL gtfo
you were always voting for trump
No no no. He was totes “undecided” until this one issue. As soon as the next issue crops up, he’ll again switch from undecided to trump. He will continue this trend as long as he thinks someone will be convinced. He’s the common clay of the new west and he will be heard.
I’d say more like night soil than clay
Bro he’s a criminal who staged a coup in any other time in history he would’ve been executed immediately
Da, comrade! Is good candidate, nyet?
Accountability for actions that effect people other than yourself is necessary for a healthy democracy. Your problem is mistaking accountability for persecution.
brother, trump LITERALLY tried to overthrow democracy, we’re literally JUST trying to hold him accountable for this, and it’s failing at EVERY possibly opportunity because of republicans.
Also, literally none of this is anti democratic. This is literally why we have the courts and the DOJ and the supreme courts, these all exist to insure that nobody steps too far out of line.
