• morphballganon@lemmy.world
    536·
    1 year ago

    This is like criticising a knife enthusiasts group because knives could be used to commit crime.

    It’s ok to have a community for kinky people. The fact that certain individuals look at illegal stuff doesn’t mean we should get rid of the instance, nor hide it from people who want to use it.

    • CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml
      29·
      1 year ago

      I do not care if people have a cuckolding, scat or whatever fetish they want, as long as it involves consent of some sort.

      Children cannot consent for sexual acts. Being at the recieving end of such actions irrepeairably scars their mental life forever; and any person who’s ok with this deserves torture before death.

    • BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social
      162·
      1 year ago

      Sure, but if the knife enthusiasts group is also promoting to you a “Slashing Children With Knives Enthusiasts” group, I think it’s worth criticizing.

      And it is absolutely worth hiding from people who want to use it if the group in question is hosting pedophilia.

      Speaking as a gay guy, there is an astroturf effort from the alt-right to try to paint the LGBT community as being so “inclusive” as to also include literal pedophiles, as if it’s just another sexuality or kink, and I’d rather prefer to nip that squarely in the bud by drawing a very hard line.

    • magnetosphere@kbin.social
      82·
      1 year ago

      That is a piss-poor analogy. Considering that you’re trying to defend the indefensible, though, I’d say it’s the least of your problems.

        • magnetosphere@kbin.social
          41·
          1 year ago

          Understood. I don’t know where you’re from, so let me tell you about a common legal concept in the United States: aiding and abetting. Basically, if you knowingly help someone commit a crime (possessing cp), you’re often guilty of a crime as well. Plus, there’s the issue of distributing cp. That’s a crime in itself.

          To me, though, the legal details are secondary. My biggest issue is informed consent. Children cannot give informed consent. Therefore, any sexual pictures/video are exploitation. That’s not okay.

          Just the other day, I was talking with someone about the important difference between morality and legality, but in the case of cp, I think they got it right.

          (If you choose to reply, take your time. I’m headed out and won’t be able to answer right away.)

            • magnetosphere@kbin.social
              2·
              1 year ago

              Oh. We’re talking about slightly different things here. I was arguing against the instance existing at all.

              As for aiding and abetting, I can see it being successfully argued that yes, having the instance show up IS aiding and abetting. Granted, it’s not as clear cut, but if it’s proven that the people maintaining the search engine knew it was an instance that contained cp, that could be a major issue.

    • dramaticcat@sh.itjust.worksOP
      106·
      1 year ago

      You realize that they host MAP, beastiality, and zoophilia communities?

      It’s one thing to host kinky communities (a-ok as long as it’s legal), it’s another to host pedo communities. Check the fediseer link listed in the post for examples.

    • froggers@lemmy.world
      63·
      1 year ago

      being a pedo is not a kink. don’t really understand why it’s that hard to understand.

      • morphballganon@lemmy.world
        36·
        1 year ago

        What you are doing is called the straw man fallacy. Obvs pedophilia isn’t a kink, and you would know I wasn’t defending it if you had good reading comprehension skills.

        • froggers@lemmy.world
          92·
          1 year ago

          Yeah I guess when your dumass said “It’s ok to have a community for kinky people.” I mistakenly thought that you meant that pedos are a kink community. Honestly don’t know how I could have misread that. fuckwit

    • Melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      You’re right that the post is badly written, because it just sorta says “this is a place that promotes paraphilia!” But in this particular case, this server hosts reprehensible content and is not just a community for kinky people that happens to have pedos on it.

      It’s like if there were a knife enthusiast instance where the largest local community was about committing crime, where the admin self-identifies as being into commiting crimes. It’s absolutely true most knife enthusiasts have no interest in committing crime, and therefore the knife enthusiasts who don’t want to commit crime probably wouldn’t join the server that promotes crime.

      The analogy falls apart a bit because it’s true that they’re not doing anything illegal over there, at least not publicly. But they’re still promoting viewing kids sexually, promoting sexual contact with kids, even talking about nude photos of kids.