I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don’t actually think everyone there is insane. I don’t care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It’s not going to scare me to take this down

  • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
    310·
    4 months ago

    Also, post is not a genuine question.

    I’ll answer yours in good faith.

    what else do you expect them to do? Sit and politely agree?

    Internally reach consensus to segregate themselves, then brigade the fediverse whole with content that allowed the majority to believe it was their choice.

    Because such actions are well outside of status quo want for bandwagon validation they’re by definition “insane” and “unexpected”. But, the hexbear community is well aware that the majority is better off not yet knowing what they believe. Many expected such actions as it was an obvious moral and ethical imperative that lacked internal leadership support.

    • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
      132·
      4 months ago

      Internally reach consensus to segregate themselves, then brigade the fediverse whole with content that allowed the majority to believe it was their choice.

      Hexbear was the only lemmy for 4 years, over that time their code base diverged, it took a few months to make federation possible again. There was never a consensus on whether HB should be segregated, a lot of users opposed federation over concerns about harassment or just valuing one of the few leftist communities. The end result was slow federation, with users suggesting specific instances to federate with, and instances getting defederated if the admins failed to take adequate action against transphobes/chasers.

      hexbear community is well aware that the majority is better off not yet knowing what they believe

      Half this thread is hexbears and others telling people exactly what they believe about random topics. If you doubt that, Hexbear has 4 years of history and a search function. You can even find the struggle sessions where they came to the conclusions I mentioned previously.

      Many expected such actions as it was an obvious moral and ethical imperative that lacked internal leadership support.

      What are you talking about?

      • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
        18·
        4 months ago

        Hexbear was the only lemmy for 4 years, over that time their code base diverged, it took a few months to make federation possible again… a lot of users opposed federation concerns about harassment or just valuing one of the few leftist communities. The end result was slow federation, with users suggesting specific instances to federate with, and instances getting defederated if the admins failed to take adequate action against transphobes/chasers.

        Now there’s two of us that are speaking truth.

        Half this thread is hexbears and others telling people exactly what they believe about random topics.

        Are they? That wouldn’t be thematically consistent with their years of telling others what they’d like to hear for their entertainment. Their culture is selfish in that way.

        There was never a consensus on whether HB should be segregated

        There was never formal consensus in that leadership repeatedly denied the vote, favoring a granular, instance-by-instance approach.

        What are you talking about?

        An organized, grassroots movement that employed questionable means to force the wisest decision upon leadership and everyone else.

        • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
          81·
          4 months ago

          That wouldn’t be thematically consistent with their years of telling others what they’d like to hear for their entertainment.

          What?

          There was never formal consensus in that leadership repeatedly denied the vote, favoring a granular, instance-by-instance approach.

          Here’s the vote that approved the granular instance-by-instance approach

          An organized, grassroots movement that employed questionable means to force the wisest decision upon leadership and everyone else.

          Are you describing the consensus building and struggle sessions as “forcing the wisest decision on everyone”?

          • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
            15·
            4 months ago

            Here’s the vote that approved the granular instance-by-instance approach

            And then what happened? It seems like you were present for awhile but perhaps not in the trenches, through the OpSec, and to the end.

            What?

            Indeed.

            Are you describing the consensus building and struggle sessions as “forcing the wisest decision on everyone”?

            Q: Why did hexbear brigade the fediverse?

            A: Certainly for the lulz. /s

              • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
                18·
                4 months ago

                You’ve forgotten to mention the minority that did not agree and how strongly they believed they were correct. You’ve seemingly not considered that democracy’s best case scenario is mediocrity.

                We will not be led by or stagnate upon popularity among the lumpen. Democracy be damned when faced with such a threat.