From a practical sense, ActivityPub may be the obvious choice as it gives easier interop with the largest federated platforms.

But what else? There are existing platforms built on these protocols, such as movim for xmpp, and another for matrix I forget.

From a technical standpoint, are there any major pros and cons?

  • Kairos
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    Matrix is too hefty. XMPP is stateless sort of. ActivityPub just works.

        • rglullis@communick.news
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          4 months ago

          And… that if “activitypub just works” , so does XMPP.

          And… XMPP servers offer better performance and taking less resources than any of the leading AP projects.

          And… XMPP already has E2EE.

          • Kairos
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            4 months ago

            And what do you do about other clients? What happens when the user wants to clear messages on the server when they’re fetched, but doesn’t want to do that for the social network rooms? What about moderation.

            XMPP is good at a very specific thing and I don’t think its users would like all the necesary changes.

              • Kairos
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                4 months ago

                My point is that the protocol doesn’t work well for the use case.

                • rglullis@communick.news
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  ·
                  4 months ago

                  And my point is that the your complaints are not related to the protocol, but the applications using it.

                  Not only that, we are talking about different layers of the OSI model. XMPP should be compared with HTTP, not ActivityPub. There is absolutely nothing stopping someone from implementing the ActivityStreams vocabulary on XMPP.

    • matcha_addict@lemy.lolOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      4 months ago

      From my understanding developers often complain about activityPub. Can we really say that it “just works”? Federation and interop issues are common as well.

      • Kairos
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        4 months ago

        It works better than anything else.

        • matcha_addict@lemy.lolOP
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          4 months ago

          It may seem so due to its success, but I’d argue its success was more tied to luck and timing than technical superiority.

          Mastodon was growing and “new” during the period of the decline of social media, and specifically during several moments of Twitter having issues with moderation, and later on acquisition by musk.

          Similarly to lemmy, the Reddit third party API fiasco.

          I don’t think this means that it works better than anything else. It was just the most obvious choice to users at the time.