• Enkrod@feddit.org
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    2 months ago

    Had this discussion with a friend today, because the Confederation of German Trade Unions (the umbrella-organization of all German Unions), which he works for, and lots of other workers-rights and left-wing organization, along with the Alliance for Peace are having an anti-war-day on September 1st in my region with concerts and demonstrations and stuff.

    And some groups (but not all) from that alliance are having a public demonstration for a ceasefire in Gaza (which is good) and in Ukraine (which is bad) where they will criticize the German military help for Ukraine and demand peace with Russia by making Ukraine cede territory to Putin.

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      2 months ago

      The “all war are bad and everyone must immediately stop” crowd has brain rot. They don’t understand that some people have no choice but go to war, because they are being invaded.

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        It probably aligns with the kind of thinking that can assume the MIC produces only defense and protection: under certain parameters they’re right but under others it can be quite naive.

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          Because there will always be humans who don’t follow the rules and take what they want.

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            The link between poor material conditions and crime is well-documented. Poverty often leads to desperation, which can increase the likelihood of criminal behavior. By improving material conditions—such as ensuring stable housing, affordable healthcare, efficient public transportation, and quality education—we can address the root causes of crime and create a more stable and law-abiding society. source

            Take away the material need for war, and war ceases to become desirable.

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              Putin does not have poor material conditions. This is his fucking house:

              And just wait until you see the Guest House that Xi Jinping stays at while visiting NK.

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                Oh, I get it, you’re thinking individually. I was thinking collectively. Maybe we should limit the ability for individuals to wage war.

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                  Russia collectively is controlled by Putin individually. So we cannot morally condemn the defence of Ukraine without supporting War in general.

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      This Russia affinity of the left is so rediculous in 2024 and shows how lost these people really are. It shows they are at least off by 4 decades or so when this stance would have made the tiniest bit of sense.

      They act as if they are idiologically aligned but Russia has turned into a worse than capitalism system. When? In the last 40 years!

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      I demand an immediate end to the war in Ukraine whereby Russia cedes even more land to Ukraine.