[Discussion] Should votes be displayed publicly? · Issue #4967 · LemmyNet/lemmy
github.com
Question I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on possibly making votes public. This has been discussed in a lot of other issues, but here's a dedicated one for discussion. Positives Could help figh...

I really wanted to post this on !traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns@hexbear.net but I’m not trans myself and I didn’t want to take up their space.

Basically, the devs of Lemmy are looking to make upvotes public to everyone. Right now, I believe voter identities are known to server admins and mods.

I don’t have a strong opinion on this myself, either for or against, as I write this comment, but I’m wondering if there’s something I’m missing, frankly as a cishet dude.

But also… I’ve kinda lost trust in Nutomic making decisions about the software that won’t make things worse for trans people since his comments on the Olympics were made public. Dessalines has (so far) at least tolerated Nutomic’s transphobia despite whatever prior rhetoric. Frankly, I am suspicious that trans people don’t matter to the Lemmy dev team…to be charitable…so I’d really like to hear your thoughts.

  • NaevaTheRat [she/her]@vegantheoryclub.orgEnglish
    9·
    3 months ago

    Every time I see you pop up you’re writing incredibly sane things. You’re so much more polite and put so much effort into your comments compared to me (on all my accounts). I’m glad you’re contributing to the fediverse.

    Also I agree and have seen similar things. Much as the orange hellsite is loathsome they do have better discussions than reddit (although they’re also largely populated by reactionaries, so you need to compare like with like). Removing downvotes was good, and I’m glad hexbear does.

    I don’t think UIs should set expectations of privacy for users when something is public. And I don’t support information being available only to the motivated or technically capable as the first category is full of lunatics and the second is just technocratic elitism.

    • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      5·
      3 months ago

      I can be a really aggressive asshole at times too! I am never that person if the other person is acting in good faith though, or unless someone needs a little slap on the wrist with a ruler in order to get them thinking/acting in a way that might be better.

      And I don’t support information being available only to the motivated or technically capable as the first category is full of lunatics and the second is just technocratic elitism.

      I worry that the internet rather than provide people with access to information is providing people with too much wrong information and has actually resulted in huge swathes of people being turned into piles of brainworms, porn addiction and neuroses the likes of which have never been seen before in history.

      • NaevaTheRat [she/her]@vegantheoryclub.orgEnglish
        4·
        3 months ago

        I worry that the internet rather than provide people with access to information is providing people with too much wrong information and has actually resulted in huge swathes of people being turned into piles of brainworms, porn addiction and neuroses the likes of which have never been seen before in history.

        I am mixed on this, I feel kinda this way but also literally everyone ever has felt this about their time and new technologies or trends. There is evidence that some people appear to be harmed by the light boxes of dopamine but evidence for broad harms is much less good. I can imagine worlds in which the internet was better, but also ones in which it is much worse. When we do look at stuff like worsening mental health outcomes in younger people it’s a giant mess of correlated thing, from soc med to worsening economic outlook, climate disasters, reductions in freedom, reductions in physical activity, enclosure etc. To point the finger at any one and emphasise it feels reductive.

        If we have reasons to believe that making a technology is harmful we should not do that, but if a technology is available gatekeeping it behind something unrelated to potential to be harmful (e.g. in the votes case the ability to spin up a server. There is no reason to believe this correlates with sound judgement about exposing yourself to the information) is at best patronising. Generally elites have a really terrible track record of making decisions for other people. So I think once the genie is out of the bottle, absent strong evidence to do so, we need to give people access to it.