It’s really frustrating, I was talking to someone about how successful China has been in de-radicalization of reactionaries. But they responded to this by saying they’re only successful because, and I quote “put them all in concentration camps and killed them”
Has anyone here been successful in deprogramming people about this topic? If so any good sources I can use to dissuade them? I tried telling them that the UN report, if you read it, just says that there’s concerns about abuse by internment offcials, and there’s no evidence of genocide. But when I say this they just dismiss it as if the UN is controlled by the PRC. It’s like a religion to liberals to believe anything bad about China and can get really frustrating.
One thing that I find to be very odd about the Uyghur genocide accusations is that we are currently witnessing a genocide in Palestine and it is being extremely well documented through social media posts, news coverage, etc. We can hear directly from the victims of the genocide and their families in near real-time and see direct evidence of what is happening because everyone there can document it using a phone that has a camera and a microphone.
It has to be said that we live in the age of social media where information always leaks out in some form or another no matter how much anyone in power within any system tries to stop it from doing so. If there were such a genocide occurring the victims would be documented, we would know their names, and we would see posts about it which show very clear evidence of this crime.
This is especially glaring as the USA attempts to ramp up to a new cold war with China (The US military has even released statements saying they consider themselves in a war footing with China, and nearly every new military RnD project is designed to counter Russia and China). If this genocide were happening, the documentation of it being done by the United States Government’s most significant enemy would be everywhere on the news, you would be hearing constantly about the victims of such an act. It would be used to make the public favor economic warfare against China.
But we have seen almost no documentation or evidence of such a crime in the news, on social media, or anywhere else despite the fact that so many people have the tools to document it with ease.
It’s a confluence of several forms of racism to put it naively. They see “the Chinese” as devious, where they could covertly culturally genocide you without you knowing anything about it, and other groups as too backwards to speak for themselves.
The genocide of Palestinians has thrown a spanner in the works of their racism factory because now they cannot accuse others of genocide as casually as they did before.
That is a very good analysis, IMO. The only way one could say they are doing it with such effective suppression of information is if they believed that:
A. The victims of this genocide are totally passive and not speaking out in an to attempt to stop it and have not done so for years.
B. The general public of China is marching in total 100% lock-step and nobody is brave enough or has any desire to sound an alarm about a genocide and again, have not done so for years.
It requires you to view the Chinese people as a totally monolithic entity that always does what the government wants them to do without any resistance or friction. As if, out of such a large group of people, not a single one would have desired to or found a way to leak definitive information about an ongoing genocide to the wider world.
This is also, once again, extremely strange that we aren’t seeing more evidence about this in the west when, if it were happening, it would be used as a means to make the public hate the Chinese government and increase support for actions against them. We would see the evidence on the news constantly, the coverage would almost be inescapable.