It’s really frustrating, I was talking to someone about how successful China has been in de-radicalization of reactionaries. But they responded to this by saying they’re only successful because, and I quote “put them all in concentration camps and killed them”
Has anyone here been successful in deprogramming people about this topic? If so any good sources I can use to dissuade them? I tried telling them that the UN report, if you read it, just says that there’s concerns about abuse by internment offcials, and there’s no evidence of genocide. But when I say this they just dismiss it as if the UN is controlled by the PRC. It’s like a religion to liberals to believe anything bad about China and can get really frustrating.
It also can’t be a cultural genocide (whatever vibes based analysis that would entail) because they are still considered an ethnic group part of China and not part of another ethnic group. Uyghurs have political representation in the CPPCC and people in China know they exist. It is literally called the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region.
Meanwhile, the US has beyond a reasonable doubt committed a cultural and physical genocide on the various indigenous tribes in North America. From boarding schools where children were forced to give up all links to their culture to what the US literally calls “reservation camps” which native peoples are forced to live in total systemic poverty. The children who grow up in the US are not taught anything about indigenous cultures beyond the fact that the US displaced and exterminated them. Indigenous peoples couldn’t even vote until the 1900s.
Xinjiang poses a threat to the settler class because it is an instance of a nation state actually resolving ethnic conflict not by state-backed terrorism and displacement. If people were to learn the truth about Xinjiang it would only endanger the grip that settler-colonialism has on the West.
these cannot be applied as principle, the existence of administrative units and official recognition are components of a dignified reality but not necessarily indicative of one. Israel has an ‘autonomous’ administration for the palestinians in the west bank ‘Palestinian Authority’. it does not protect the palestinians. the native reservations in the US are recognized and autonomous but cultural genocide is ongoing against indigenous populations because of the marginal economic position these autonomies are in relative to the white supremacist state, to say nothing of the land & resources. by all accounts China’s autonomous regions & minority programs bring disproportionate funding and support in favor of its minorities, but it is not the simple existence of autonomous administration that makes it so.
Absolutely right, shows how China not only does the minimum required but exceeds it.
The thing is that concern trolls have conjured ample ammo to consider it a cultural genocide. It is mostly because they aim for a white Eurocentric envisionment of genocide that assuages their own guilt since it falsely equivocates state-designated enemies with themselves. For example, an American news outlet that I can’t remember the name of won a major journalistic award off of this shit. (I think it was Pulitzer but I could be wrong.) The investigation involved looking at satellite images to discover what they supposed were demolished mosques.
So I asked within this context of their weird conception of genocide whether it is reasonable to ask them to find one confirmed martyr in this genocide.