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Google will discontinue the Basic HTML version of its Gmail service in January 2024.
It’s unclear when Google made the decision to end Basic HTML support – news of which can be found in this support page titled “Use the latest version of Gmail in your browser.” Archive.org’s last capture of the page comes from late 2022, and Google’s own cache has not coughed up info that would identify the date of the change.
The Register asked Google when the decision to end Basic HTML was made, and why.
A spokesperson sent us the following statement:
“The Gmail Basic HTML views are previous versions of Gmail that were replaced by their modern successors 10+ years ago and do not include full Gmail feature functionality.”
Google suggests that not including “full Gmail feature functionality” is the point of the Basic HTML offering. When your correspondent loaded it, Google delivered a warning that it is “designed for slower connections and legacy browsers.”
Intriguingly, when we used Chrome’s Inspect>Network tool to test the HTML page’s load time, it came in at 1200 milliseconds. Full fat Gmail loaded in 700 milliseconds – but then kept loading elements for almost a minute before settling down.
The decision has been criticized by Pratik Patel, who describes himself on Mastodon as “a blind technologist … who finds himself championing #accessibility for fun and necessity.”
“I know many #blind people who use GMail’s HTML view. Not only will they be confused but will be unhappy,” he wrote.
Patel also noted that Google has made Basic HTML view harder to find in recent months – a change he understands now that the feature has been cancelled.
Google is infamous for discontinuing services that – for whatever reasons – don’t meet its goals. Over the years it has killed off favorites like its RSS reader, flops like Wave, projects like Google Code that lost to rival offerings, and invasive ad tech that its peers rejected.
But the Big G has also kept some offerings alive after user uprisings. In 2022, for example, it persisted with the free G Suite legacy edition after fielding many complaints from users who felt they were promised the service would be available in perpetuity.
Google insists it is “committed to making accessibility a core consideration” and lists many accessibility features in Gmail – among them screen reader support and hands-free email.
This made me realize I’m still too dependable on Google’s Gmail, using it in so many places…
I should make work of the complete transfer to thrustworthier locations I have been postponing for so long… All the work this will give me though… 😨
Protonmail might be the easiest to transfer everything to. You can transfer contacts and emails I believe.
I really don’t understand why people love Proton so much. It’s really expensive, requires a non standard client and in the end you’re still using it to communicate via one of the least secure protocols ever with vast majority of people not using Proton.
It’s the other things that come with it that make the price worth it. Like the VPN, password manager, easy built in email aliases (key word easy built in), and drive storage. I paid for several of those solutions separately until combining them into a cheaper and more secure platform.
What’s the total monthly cost for all these services in a package? “Worth” is different to everyone, but I suspect your definition is very different from mine considering I host my email with purely mail for $10/year and use bitwarden for another $10/year.
More than a just money though - I’m very hesitant to switch my calendar and contacts management to proprietary software hosted by company in a different country.
As the saying goes “If you’re not paying for the product you are the product.”
I’ve been using Fastmail for years now. Worth every penny. Doesn’t even come with “extras” other than a little webdav storage space.
Most email providers have free tiers. Try them!Find the one that works best for you. Pay for that.
Running email server only costs them ~$10/year/user. If you use too much, they will pass the costs to you. These guys aren’t trying to become next Gmail. They are just offering great service at reasonable price that covers their expenses and their staff’s time.
+1 for purelymail. It just works, and is everything I need and nothing I don’t. And so cheap.
This, for example I love Proton Pass so far. I completely replaced my Bitwarden with Proton Pass. It (Proton Pass) has built-in 2FA authenticator, password generator, Firefox extension, and email generator to hide my email address.
Not happy with Proton Calendar (pretty basic) or Proton Drive (doesn’t support auto-sync, yet) but I’m patiently waiting for them.
ProtonMail has a free version which is enough for many. Every email you send or receive in Gmail is being collected as data by Google and i don’t want to give my personal data to Google
I’m not defending Google. They are an evil fucking company, but are you not sending any emails to Google either? My point is Proton is charging you for something that makes no difference since your email comes from non Proton servers and goes to non Proton servers most of the time.
And Proton’s free offering is really not useful to most people. Maybe as a short term trial, but certainly not a replacement for main inbox.
Again, we’re not just talking about email. Things like email aliases and other features are what people mainly stick with Proton for. Nobody knows my real email. They all get an instantly generated alias that I can revoke at any time. Plus if I get spam, I will know who leaked my email. Most people do not actually send many personal emails. It’s a secure platform with many benefits.
Correct, aliases are one of the best built-in features. Unlimited aliases costs covers a decent part of the subscription
You just convinced me to get protonmail. Now I gotta learn of its functions and stuff. It will make my month if you’re able to forward emails from gmail, and reply using the same @gmail handle.
You mean aliases that every other email provider has? Even yahoo has had them for years.
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If you are referring to ProtonMail encryption, i think it’s primarily about encryption at rest, so that nobody except you (not even Proton) can read your emails. Unlike other email providers (like Gmail) where the emails could be easily accessed by the email providers whenever they want/need to (like data for ads or legal orders from government etc). While not at rest (i.e., sending/receiving emails), emails between Proton and Gmail are on TLS unless it changed in recent years. If the email is password protected in which case Gmail cannot read the email until you open it with the password
Gmail is the exception because almost 100% of Google’s profit is from ads. Not that other providers of free email service aren’t parsing your emails for AI training or other reasons, but I can’t think of a single paid provider that accesses your email at rest.
skiff is also a good option
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I’d love two email, can you have that in the official app? I’m on some basic (paid) VPN plan of Proton and have an “unsoiled” email address there already :-)
Some alternatives to consider are Protonmail, Tutanota and mailbox.org. I recently migrated some accounts to Tutanota and some others to mailbox.org (mostly accounts that I needed IMAP/SMTP access to) and have enjoyed both, quirks withstanding. It’s a lot of work to migrate, but it feels oddly cleansing.
If you want to get fancy, you can introduce something like AnonAddy(Addy.io)/SimpleLogin and use email aliases for everything. They add another layer of protection for spam and breaches, and also allow for some advanced mailbox filtering. Also, once it’s in an aliasing service, it’s super easy to migrate between email providers (just a check box to choose a different mailbox).
I moved from Gmail recently. Since you need to go around updating all your sites to your new email address anyway it’s worth signing up for an alias service. Personally I went with my own domain hosted on SimpleLogin. I moved all my sites to aliases before moving away from Gmail. It then took less than a minute to update all my aliases to point to my new mailbox provider (Proton). The only site that knows about my new email address is SimpleLogin. I don’t plan on giving out my proton email address to anyone else. If someone needs to email me they’ll get their own alias to send to!
I have my own domain but have been doing my email thru gmail - when i go to check from my webmail the amount of spam is insane. Is there good alternatives that do decent anti-spam. (Been a long time since I checked)
Ditch that email address.
Create a new domain (preferred option) or use one provided by an alias provider (like SimpleLogin). Move all your sites to their own alias. At this point you should be getting no spam at all. If you do though you’ll know which site it came from as they have their own alias. You can simply disable that alias and no more spam.
You don’t need a spam filter anymore!
Interesting but extreme idea! I guess I could have my own alias’ as well. I have used gmails + thing quite a bit. They just make it so darn convenient lol.
I’ve used that in the past until sites stated my email address was invalid because it had a + in it.
Proton owns simple login ( I think ) and any paid plan gives you access to it.
You can just get simple login as well without proton. You can even send emails from the simple login emails so your real email stays Hidden.
I’m sure there are other similar tools out there.
Not any plan. I’m on Mail Plus and that doesn’t include SimpleLogin.
I signed up for SimpleLogin prior to ProtonMail. I don’t need the extra stuff in the Unlimited package.
Correct! Just double checked and th faq says this: you’re subscribed to a Proton Unlimited, Proton for Business, Proton Family, or Proton Visionary (legacy) plan, you’ll receive SimpleLogin Premium for free
I’ll have to look into Proton, thanks!
There’s alternatives like tutanota for email as well which a pretty good reputation.
There used to be a subreddit with some guides.
Mailbox.org is an option as well I think?
Have a look around and se which one you like pricing wise.
Some people do proton. Others mix and match and grab tutanota and a von elsewhere.
Protonmail with simplelogin is very seamless. If you have proton unlimited you get simplelogin premium for free and with their other services with protonvpn I think it’s worth the price. Black friday is coming up so those prices will go on sale soon too.
Why not switch over progressively? Each time I notice a service I’m logging into was registered using my gmail account, I change it (if I’m free).
I’m moving to Proton. Still a couple things that Proton is missing before I can delete my Google account, but I doubt it will be much longer before they’re implemented.
I’m on proton and in the same boat, but the wait could be a while. They’re very focused on expanding their product portfolio, and less focused on making the existing products sing.
I stopped using Gmail for anything outside Google a few years ago. They can track and monitor and analyze that as much as they like because all they see is their own e-mails.
I used to turn off ad-tracking relentlessly, until they decided to then instead start showing me gay apps. And you can call me wrong on it - even though I have no problem for anybody being what they are - I, as a straight male, still feel uncomfortable if apps start opening gay videos for grindr and alike in public transportation and at work. This is the day I started agreeing to them making it… In the end it doesn’t matter if you agree to use it or not, you can be sure the tracking part still happens either way so they’ll have the necessary info to be ready if you ever change your mind (or misclick). Even your Android records snippets of surrounding conversations to turn it into text and store it in your ad profile,…
Just pay someone (or do it yourself) to host your emails.
I have my own domains and can do whatever I please.
I just used Bitwarden to transfer all my online accounts to Proton Mail. Granted it was from Tutanota, but I did it before from Gmail to Tutanota.
The new transfer took me my mornings for like two weeks. Glad to have it done.
any opinions on Infomaniak (ik.me)?