As a long term player of PoE, I don’t really see myself playing PoE2 long term. My expectation is it’ll be fun to play once or twice and a good game to onboard new players to the franchise, but it won’t have the same depth of complexity as the original.
Also, the whole “gameplay decisions matter” doesn’t vibe with me. Perhaps that’s a bit baffling, but what I want is that gearing decisions matter, and deciding what content to do matters, but regular gameplay mostly only matters when when you choose to do challenging content.
I think GGG realizes that a significant portion of their core player base isn’t completely sold on PoE2, and that’s why they’re developing both in parallel.
Additionally, and this is specific to the addition of a marketplace, they’ve always maintained that they didn’t want to add it because frictionless trades would be bad for the game’s economy. So I think they see this as more of a test whereas a lot of players see it as an outrite win.
I think one of the major reasons why they are having to do PoE 2 is because the game has garnered a reputation of being a spreadsheet simulator, which really hurts any new users from picking the game up. This is, of course, an almost imminent death to any game. There is also some truth in it, in how the game has bloated itself to where it is now, where any seasonal character has to click 50 buttons between running maps.
PoE2 lets them not have to invest time in their current set of issues and start fairly afresh. Even if half of their committed users don’t pick up 2, it is still bound to outperform 1, I feel.
Context: I’m a serial-dipper of PoE.
The thing that puts me off the late-game/consistent game-loop of PoE is for sure the amount of management required between maps combined with the fact that none of the abilities feel as nice and impactful as those from the likes of D3 even. This means that running a map is walking and spamming 1-2 buttons and then when I get back spending 20x as long dealing with combing through the quantity of trash I picked up.
The spreadsheet and build/gear planning is something I typically enjoy, though with the scope of PoE I usually just follow guides. I’ve started to think that ARPGs just aren’t for me recently, because few really seek to tackle the issue of scaling numbers and difficulty leaning towards a dead-or-not binary style of play. Dropping your entire health in less than a second because of some specific circumstances does not make for a compelling level of difficulty/challenge.
Oh it absolutely is, and it’s totally understandable why they’re making PoE2. But I think there’s also a sizeable number of players whom that aspect (ye old spreadsheet simulator, that is) really appeals to, and what’s more is that they’re very devoted to the game. And while PoE2 might have a broader appeal, I’m not so convinced that it’ll be able to retain as many of those players.
I mostly agree. I kinda felt decisions mattered in a game like Disco Elysium, but you’re still essentially on the same overall track; the only way, things could really matter is if the story lines completely diverge, and that almost never financially makes sense, since you’d essentially be making multiple games and selling it as one.
I don’t think that’s the distinction that GGG is trying to get at though. What they’re going for is making micro-decisions matter. You have to turn your brain on and use it for combat most of the time to stay alive, so you can’t just zone out and go on autopilot then pay attention for when you know you’re going to need it. They want to focus on a much more active play style where there are more telegraphed attacks and dodging all the time.
I enjoy those mechanics too, but I don’t want them all the time. I want a blend of hard and easy, if that makes sense. I want to be able to blast through some content and make my goal clearing it as efficiently as possible, not worrying about dying every second.
And maybe I’m concerned about nothing, and it won’t be that way, but I’d rather try it and be happily surprised than go in with high expectations and be disappointed.
Kind of strange to see all these big updates to PoE while PoE 2 gets perpetually delayed.
As a long term player of PoE, I don’t really see myself playing PoE2 long term. My expectation is it’ll be fun to play once or twice and a good game to onboard new players to the franchise, but it won’t have the same depth of complexity as the original.
Also, the whole “gameplay decisions matter” doesn’t vibe with me. Perhaps that’s a bit baffling, but what I want is that gearing decisions matter, and deciding what content to do matters, but regular gameplay mostly only matters when when you choose to do challenging content.
I think GGG realizes that a significant portion of their core player base isn’t completely sold on PoE2, and that’s why they’re developing both in parallel.
Additionally, and this is specific to the addition of a marketplace, they’ve always maintained that they didn’t want to add it because frictionless trades would be bad for the game’s economy. So I think they see this as more of a test whereas a lot of players see it as an outrite win.
I think one of the major reasons why they are having to do PoE 2 is because the game has garnered a reputation of being a spreadsheet simulator, which really hurts any new users from picking the game up. This is, of course, an almost imminent death to any game. There is also some truth in it, in how the game has bloated itself to where it is now, where any seasonal character has to click 50 buttons between running maps.
PoE2 lets them not have to invest time in their current set of issues and start fairly afresh. Even if half of their committed users don’t pick up 2, it is still bound to outperform 1, I feel.
Context: I’m a serial-dipper of PoE. The thing that puts me off the late-game/consistent game-loop of PoE is for sure the amount of management required between maps combined with the fact that none of the abilities feel as nice and impactful as those from the likes of D3 even. This means that running a map is walking and spamming 1-2 buttons and then when I get back spending 20x as long dealing with combing through the quantity of trash I picked up.
The spreadsheet and build/gear planning is something I typically enjoy, though with the scope of PoE I usually just follow guides. I’ve started to think that ARPGs just aren’t for me recently, because few really seek to tackle the issue of scaling numbers and difficulty leaning towards a dead-or-not binary style of play. Dropping your entire health in less than a second because of some specific circumstances does not make for a compelling level of difficulty/challenge.
Oh it absolutely is, and it’s totally understandable why they’re making PoE2. But I think there’s also a sizeable number of players whom that aspect (ye old spreadsheet simulator, that is) really appeals to, and what’s more is that they’re very devoted to the game. And while PoE2 might have a broader appeal, I’m not so convinced that it’ll be able to retain as many of those players.
Whenever developers say “Choices Matter” I just kind of filter it out because it’s never come true yet.
I mostly agree. I kinda felt decisions mattered in a game like Disco Elysium, but you’re still essentially on the same overall track; the only way, things could really matter is if the story lines completely diverge, and that almost never financially makes sense, since you’d essentially be making multiple games and selling it as one.
I don’t think that’s the distinction that GGG is trying to get at though. What they’re going for is making micro-decisions matter. You have to turn your brain on and use it for combat most of the time to stay alive, so you can’t just zone out and go on autopilot then pay attention for when you know you’re going to need it. They want to focus on a much more active play style where there are more telegraphed attacks and dodging all the time.
I enjoy those mechanics too, but I don’t want them all the time. I want a blend of hard and easy, if that makes sense. I want to be able to blast through some content and make my goal clearing it as efficiently as possible, not worrying about dying every second.
And maybe I’m concerned about nothing, and it won’t be that way, but I’d rather try it and be happily surprised than go in with high expectations and be disappointed.