Well as a European, I’m going to give the US some credit: voters did elect a black, ‘possibly-Muslim’ guy with a name that sounds vaguely like a well-known terrorist. And they elected him twice.
Besides, the democrats really appear to be in a situation where they’ll vote for a proverbial ham sandwich if it stops Trump from getting the presidency.
Are there racist voters who hate women? Obviously. But it’s not like it’s an immediate disqualification.
I think that would work for her. There’s way more minorities and centrists that would come out to vote for her because of Obama’s legacy than racists that would stay home out of spite IMO. I certainly don’t think she’ll be anything like Obama, but one could hope.
All the right wingers who wanted Trump are going to vote for him and all the Republicans that wanted someone else rallied behind a woman during their primaries. I think people are blowing up an issue thats less impactful than they make it out to be.
I’m sure there’s plenty of misogyny and racism to put people off, but don’t underestimate “being another bland candidate who won’t get people excited enough to vote”.
It wasn’t just women haters that made Trump beat Clinton.
People’s lives are shit, and while Trump will for sure make them even shittier, “things will be mostly the same as they are now, with some baby steps towards things you’ve wanted for decades” isn’t exactly a rallying cry for the ages.
The Democrats were never going to let Sanders have anything, but AOC? Maybe? She at least makes the news when she says things. And unlike Republicans, they’re not horrible things.
Probably not, she’s got the charisma of Hillary, and two strikes (race and gender) against her. But Biden is dragging the rest of the party down with him. With Harris we probably get a Trump presidency (we have at least a fighting chance to avoid it). But with Biden we get a Trump presidency, a landslide election giving him a “mandate” and assuredly a Republican House and Senate to go along with it. Sooo worth a shot with the old switcharoo I guess.
Yeah…I feel no matter what we are not in a good place to defeat Trump. I’m just trying to think of best ways given what we are given. My choice would be biden and replace Harris with a progressive woman
I feel no matter what we are not in a good place to defeat Trump.
I don’t think that’s actually true. I think the polling data we have is skewed against Biden, and models like The Keys to the White House (which don’t reference polling data) point towards a Trump defeat. 538 has Biden beating Trump more than half of the time, and it’s even using the polls. Things aren’t nearly as bad as people are making them out to be, and I don’t know why.
I really hope Harris can beat Trump.
As much as I hate it, I think there too much subconscious misogyny to try it. It’s a recipe for failure.
And racism. Can’t forget the racism!
Well as a European, I’m going to give the US some credit: voters did elect a black, ‘possibly-Muslim’ guy with a name that sounds vaguely like a well-known terrorist. And they elected him twice.
Besides, the democrats really appear to be in a situation where they’ll vote for a proverbial ham sandwich if it stops Trump from getting the presidency.
Are there racist voters who hate women? Obviously. But it’s not like it’s an immediate disqualification.
Make it a real ham sandwich instead of a proverbial one, and you’ve got a deal.
The ham sandwich has my vote since its not Trump.
I think that would work for her. There’s way more minorities and centrists that would come out to vote for her because of Obama’s legacy than racists that would stay home out of spite IMO. I certainly don’t think she’ll be anything like Obama, but one could hope.
Though racism is a factor, that doesn’t mean she isn’t also a bad candidate.
Aren’t all of the misogynists already voting for Trump? I think just being a younger woman candidate could energize the younger voting base.
Especially with bodily autonomy being a live issue
Yeah it will energize, and they’ll be really confused on voting day when they find out they needed to register to vote.
I think voting should be mandatory, easier, and have an abstain option for those people who don’t want to choose.
I’m afraid a lot of older Dems just wouldn’t vote, it’s a low turnout that could be killer.
I don’t know if she really resonated with the younger voters that much, not like AOC for instance.
All the right wingers who wanted Trump are going to vote for him and all the Republicans that wanted someone else rallied behind a woman during their primaries. I think people are blowing up an issue thats less impactful than they make it out to be.
I’m sure there’s plenty of misogyny and racism to put people off, but don’t underestimate “being another bland candidate who won’t get people excited enough to vote”.
It wasn’t just women haters that made Trump beat Clinton.
People’s lives are shit, and while Trump will for sure make them even shittier, “things will be mostly the same as they are now, with some baby steps towards things you’ve wanted for decades” isn’t exactly a rallying cry for the ages.
The Democrats were never going to let Sanders have anything, but AOC? Maybe? She at least makes the news when she says things. And unlike Republicans, they’re not horrible things.
Probably not, she’s got the charisma of Hillary, and two strikes (race and gender) against her. But Biden is dragging the rest of the party down with him. With Harris we probably get a Trump presidency (we have at least a fighting chance to avoid it). But with Biden we get a Trump presidency, a landslide election giving him a “mandate” and assuredly a Republican House and Senate to go along with it. Sooo worth a shot with the old switcharoo I guess.
She can’t.
Whitmer maybe could. If she has a strong running mate.
Harris just isnt a good candidate.
Oh no you don’t. We’ve got Whitmer until the end of 2026. You can have her then and not a second sooner.
If SCOTUS keeps on this retro “states rights” bender, we’re just gonna make our own country. With blackjack. And great lakes.
The only thing Whitmer is good at is destroying state economies, and killing small businesses.
I think she can if she chooses a progressive vp
Possible, but Unlikely. 🙁
Yeah…I feel no matter what we are not in a good place to defeat Trump. I’m just trying to think of best ways given what we are given. My choice would be biden and replace Harris with a progressive woman
I don’t think that’s actually true. I think the polling data we have is skewed against Biden, and models like The Keys to the White House (which don’t reference polling data) point towards a Trump defeat. 538 has Biden beating Trump more than half of the time, and it’s even using the polls. Things aren’t nearly as bad as people are making them out to be, and I don’t know why.