I’ve worked in SaaS tech my whole life. Been out of a job for a few months now, and while I do have debts to pay that would be much easier with a paycheck from the tech field, I wouldn’t be fulfilled with an office job.

The thing is, I’m not even sure what Id want to do yet. I’ve known my whole life that I was put here to help others, and there are so many causes out there I could work with that would help. So I think figuring that out is probably the very first step.

I’d also need to make above a certain threshold to be able to really function unless/even if I get a roommate (someone is checking my place out this month, so that might happen in January for me). Seems like figuring out what that number is between bills, rent, food, etc would be a good second step.

Beyond that, anyone else here made drastic career changes (I also don’t give a shit about having a “career”) that worked out for them like this? Would love any advice or tips! Tell me your story!

Thanks all, love you!

  • Zoift [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Graeber had a bit in Bullshit Jobs about how the more societally necessicary or directly helpful a job is, the worse the pay is generally. Teachers, Firefighters, ect. He posited it was because subconciously in an time with so many meaningless or actively alienating jobs, to have a career that has a visible impact on the world is considered part of the pay package.

    I know its not really an answer to your question, but I work in public service and i think about that a lot.

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      11 months ago

      i’d say cleaner/janitor/garbage collectors are the perfect example tbh
      without those we’d all be dying of disease and they are some of the worst paying and looked down upon jobs

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      He posited it was because subconciously in an time with so many meaningless or actively alienating jobs, to have a career that has a visible impact on the world is considered part of the pay package

      oh my god picard i thought Graeber was some sort of marxist based on the amount people bring him up

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        He is, read Toward an Anthropological Theory of Value.

        This analysis isn’t wrong, it’s just partial. There’s stuff like labor exploitation, gendered hyperexploitation, etc. But there’s also something where desirable jobs have less bargaining power because the labor pool is flooded (Firefighters are an example of this). Graeber’s argument is a non-structural articulation of the same phenomena. In the case of teachers, the amount we pay them is very much a decision made fairly arbitrarily. It’s mostly a matter of public investment, the decisions around which are massively over-determined to the point where you do have to talk about things like subconscious decision-making and cultural values.

        If your issue is with taking the subconscious into account in your analysis, then you’re putting yourself in opposition to incredibly influential Marxists like Adorno.

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          but are the material considerations of systems of exploitation not more pressing? it just seems silly to be talking about subconsciousnesses when everything you said (and i’d tack on the capitalists’ control over bourgeois government) is so much more salient

          e: but yeah you got me, it isn’t inherently marxian or not to talk about psychology shit.

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            I agree, they are, but Graeber’s the type of dude to prioritize making a playful argument over making a rigorous one. Debt has a whole chapter arguing that Muslim banking is better than European Banking because it obeys Abrahamic usury laws. He then included a footnote basically saying “I know it’s still capitalist, I mostly wrote this chapter to troll evangelicals.”

            Like, he has brilliant insights, but not necessarily brilliant analysis. Take him as a supplement to your theory, not your main meal.