• TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    I think most Dems, especially those who are highly politically engaged and closely follow election news, are going to vote blue no matter who. So, I think Bernie is preaching to the choir here. I think the Dems who are worried about Biden are worried he doesn’t have enough support among independents, and they feel independents are much less likely to just vote for the Democrat, no matter who it is.

    Now, could just any candidate replace Biden and automatically win back any of the independents he is believed to have lost? I don’t know. A lot of Dems seem to think that just about any other candidate would do better than Biden among independents right now, but I’m not so sure.

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        Hillary, much like Trump, is a symptom of what is wrong with the Democrats. “It was her turn” spat in the face of people who were excited about a progressive candidate and made the whole primary a sham.

        She was a terrible candidate. She was a bitter pill that many independents said “enough is enough” and voted third party or not voted at all.

        I am deeply concerned that as the Republicans move more toward fascism, the left are not going to have great candidates. We’re going to get established, wealthy-class friendly candidates who are willing to throw crumbs at the working class. They’ll bitch and moan about how they are losing voters, never looking at themselves, never realizing that we are literally voting to just survive.

        This election will be just like 2020. We aren’t voting for Biden. We’re voting against fascism.

        And I’m personally getting fucking tired of Democrats seeing that as a win.

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          I am deeply concerned that as the Republicans move more toward fascism, the left are not going to have great candidates

          Well, the Republicans Democrats will have an option of being “less fascist party” by then. I feel like the future is not too bright, somehow

          Edit: mixed the opposites somehow 🫠

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        5 months ago

        What an ungrateful cunt. I don’t want to be in hell with that removed.

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        Hillary “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman” Clinton. Yeah. Keep on satisfying those poor, misguided progressives.

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      5 months ago

      I think the other concern is voter turnout/enthusiasm. The last presidential election had extremely high turnout. Even if voters (in swing states) don’t switch candidates but opt to stay home instead that could translate into a significant electoral problem too.

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        You do have a point that turn out Is important, but a potential replacement candidate isn’t guaranteed to increase turn out, they could be worse. And they would only have 4 months to try to fix things, which isn’t a lot of time.

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          Turnout is literally everything. It is literally more turnout = Democrat win literally every single election in america. Low turnout in 2016 still resulted in trump losing the popular vote. America’s voting system is messed up, but then so is UK’s parliamentary first past the post system and Belgium’s 6 governments.

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      I think you might be missing the point though.

      Those highly politically engaged Dem voters who will vote blue no matter who are bickering about whether Biden is the right choice, and the swing voters are paying attention.

      To an undecided voter, it doesn’t inspire much confident to see that Biden’s own supporters don’t think he can do the job.

      The bickering amongst those who will vote blue anyway is costing the votes from the undecideds that Biden so desperately needs.