During a United Nations Security Council meeting this week, U.S. Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield launched a full-throated condemnation of Russiaā€™s bombing of Ukraineā€™s largest childrenā€™s hospital on Monday. The attack was a part of a Russian bombing campaign that killed more than 30 Ukrainian civilians.

ā€œWeā€™re here today because Russia ā€¦ attacked a childrenā€™s hospital,ā€ Thomas-Greenfield said. ā€œEven uttering that phrase sends a chill down my spine.ā€

Thomas-Greenfield went on to list a string of Russian attacks on other Ukrainian hospitals throughout the war. She described Russiaā€™s aggression as a ā€œcampaign of terrorā€ and labeled its attacks on civilian infrastructure as violations of international law. Representatives of other countries, such as the United Kingdom and France, echoed Thomas-Greenfieldā€™s denunciations. (Russiaā€™s ambassador denied responsibility for the Monday bombing.)

ā€œIā€™m very glad the U.S. is coming out and so vocally condemning all of those actions,ā€ said Jessica Peake, an international law professor at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Law, referring to Thomas-Greenfieldā€™s comments toward Russia. ā€œBut at the same time, we donā€™t get any language anywhere near as strong as that when weā€™re talking about Palestinian hospitals, or Palestinian schools, or Palestinian children.ā€

  • nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca
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    I feel very confident in saying a childrens cancer ward far from the Ukrainian front likely had no military utilization. Probably no rockets fired from the roof, no soldiers inside, etc etc.

    Even if their were a rocket or a soldier on the roof, Russia would but be morally justified in blowing it up. Nothing you said is relevant to that situation.

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      If a hospital is used as a combat position, it becomes a valid target for attack. You are not prohibited from returning fire just because the attackers are striking from a hospital.

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        Blowing up a hospital is not morally justified just because youā€™re able to bullshit your way into calling it a combat position. Your use of ā€œprohibitedā€ is a weaselword. Obviously theyā€™re not prohibited - this is trivially true since they do it. Itā€™s still not morally justifiable.

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          Oh, certainly. Well, war is hell. Itā€™s an inherently immoral practice, one of the most evil things we engage in. When it happens though, it needs to follow a certain set of rules, for a variety of reasons of which morality is just one.

          That said, ā€œhospitalā€ is just a word. If the building is occupied by patients and doctors and is not part of the fighting, then I fully agree with you. If it is empty of doctors and patients, and instead a battalion of soldiers is shooting at you from it, it should be blown up. The activities happening determine what happens, not the name and type of the building.

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            That said, ā€œhospitalā€ is just a word. If the building is occupied by patients and doctors and is not part of the fighting, then I fully agree with you. If it is empty of doctors and patients, and instead a battalion of soldiers is shooting at you from it, it should be blown up.

            Adressing only both of these extremes ensure that nothing you said addresses any aspect of reality.

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              Theyā€™re hypotheticals meant to communicate how the Geneva Conventions actually work in real life. Sorry if you donā€™t like it.

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                The Geneva convention isnā€™t relevant to Israelā€™s current war in Gaza. Blowing up hospitals remains immoral. Sorry if you donā€™t like it.

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                  War is immoral, everything about it. No exceptions. Humanity does not function based on universal morality though, it functions on law.

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                    There are no laws governing Israelā€™s conduct in Gaza at this moment , and unconditional US support ensures that this will remain the case. Youā€™re purposely talking about irrelevant nonsense to deflect from their obviously immoral acts.