If President Joe Biden decides to withdraw from the election, Democrats need not fear — they have a ticket in front of them that can still defeat presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump.
But just passively accepting the establishment bullshit while not even voicing displeasure is a recipe for more and more severe establishment bullshit.
If the billionaire fucks are shoving turds into our throats while calling those smelly turds “brownies,” at least they need to hear us moan. We don’t gotta dignify this bullshit with polite smiles all around.
Comrade, I got nothing personal against you or your conduct. I just mean to say we need to encourage complaints and suggestions which may seem unrealistic but which still point us in the right spiritual direction so to speak.
Then if you can add some actionable refinement or sharpen the complaints to make them better articulated, so much the better.
On the other hand if you just discourage, even with “good intentions”, you’re blocking the energy.
The status quo candidates just won’t do.
We need a candidate with an affirmative, POSITIVE VISION for America. “The status quo is fine, we’ll just do little tweaks around the edges because we don’t wanna upset our billionaire donors” is NOT a positive vision for America. It just WILL NOT DO.
Simply defeating Trump with just any warm body isn’t good enough.
Our real task is not to defeat Trump, but to BUILD a positive future for us all. Our task is to foster a world we actually want to live in, as opposed to this craptacular capitalist hellscape.
Simply defeating Trump with just any warm body isn’t good enough.
Well, the party isn’t willing to do better and I’d be happy if they put up someone who can beat him. That person isn’t Biden. Of course, I would also like it if the party would stop enabling genocide and move to the fucking left for the first time in fifty goddamned years, but I’ll take what I can get.
A good first step would be for the party to admit they made a mistake. If the party can’t take that first step, they’re never gonna stop interpreting all events as evidence that they need to move to the right.
It’s our job to COERCE the party to do our bidding. The party must know if they displease their voters there are meaningful risks and downsides for them. It’s our duty to engineer those meaningful risks and downsides or else the party has every reason to ignore us.
If you engineer meaningful risks and consequences for the party, they will HAVE to listen to you.
If you only plan to beg them politely, they could choose to ignore you. Whether or not they listened to you in this case would be completely at the pleasure of the party.
Aoc can’t run until next election, Michelle Obama has zero interest in being president (didn’t even want to be first lady), Elizabeth Warren isn’t much younger than trump and Biden (and a lot of moderates still won’t vote for a woman, see: Hillary Clinton), and Jill Stein is just as old too and part of the green party which isn’t going to even have a chance at winning a presidential election until there is no climate left to change unfortunately
Point of fact: she can run as long as she’s old enough to take office before inauguration day, which she will be. But party leadership would rather nominate Trump to run against Trump than nominate a progressive.
party leadership would rather nominate Trump to run against Trump than nominate a progressive.
Absolutely. I honestly think they would rather just not run a candidate (or pick somebody they know will lose and give them no money) than have an actual progressive win.
There’s a lot of establishment there. And a lot of desire to keep pounding the same stupid drums of social justice and abortion and gun control rather than deal with real problems like the bottom 99.9% getting fucked over by the top 0.1%, or the effective state of regulatory capture in many industries.
There is a divide and conquer strategy being used against the American people and it is working. We are at each other’s throats over wedge issues that, while important and worthy of discussion, are not even close to the biggest problems facing our nation.
We now have two generations that gave up on having kids because wages are stagnant and housing prices are insane and rather than discuss the breakdown of the overall social contract and loss of upward mobility, we are at each other’s throats over whether we should ban this gun or that gun or which bathroom we should be allowed to use.
It’s the modern-day version of the Arena in Rome- The population is distracted by gladiators while the nation is being run into the ground.
Yeah there is zero chance for Hillary. She lost to Trump the first time, what would make anybody think she could beat him again?
Besides even the left doesn’t like her much.
And the way she ran her campaign against Trump suggests she should be managing a hot dog cart not a country.
Oh please no. Not more establishment bullshit.
Find somebody young and energetic to bring some fresh ideas and new energy. A young Bernie Sanders type. They will mop the floor with Trump.
We’re getting establishment bullshit no matter what. May as well have establishment bullshit that can beat Trump.
But just passively accepting the establishment bullshit while not even voicing displeasure is a recipe for more and more severe establishment bullshit.
If the billionaire fucks are shoving turds into our throats while calling those smelly turds “brownies,” at least they need to hear us moan. We don’t gotta dignify this bullshit with polite smiles all around.
Check my comment history and tell me if that seems like an apt description of my behavior.
Comrade, I got nothing personal against you or your conduct. I just mean to say we need to encourage complaints and suggestions which may seem unrealistic but which still point us in the right spiritual direction so to speak.
Then if you can add some actionable refinement or sharpen the complaints to make them better articulated, so much the better.
On the other hand if you just discourage, even with “good intentions”, you’re blocking the energy.
The status quo candidates just won’t do.
We need a candidate with an affirmative, POSITIVE VISION for America. “The status quo is fine, we’ll just do little tweaks around the edges because we don’t wanna upset our billionaire donors” is NOT a positive vision for America. It just WILL NOT DO.
Simply defeating Trump with just any warm body isn’t good enough.
Our real task is not to defeat Trump, but to BUILD a positive future for us all. Our task is to foster a world we actually want to live in, as opposed to this craptacular capitalist hellscape.
Well, the party isn’t willing to do better and I’d be happy if they put up someone who can beat him. That person isn’t Biden. Of course, I would also like it if the party would stop enabling genocide and move to the fucking left for the first time in fifty goddamned years, but I’ll take what I can get.
A good first step would be for the party to admit they made a mistake. If the party can’t take that first step, they’re never gonna stop interpreting all events as evidence that they need to move to the right.
Begging the party won’t help.
It’s our job to COERCE the party to do our bidding. The party must know if they displease their voters there are meaningful risks and downsides for them. It’s our duty to engineer those meaningful risks and downsides or else the party has every reason to ignore us.
At the moment, we’re dealing with a party that would rather lose than listen. I want to get them to listen.
If you engineer meaningful risks and consequences for the party, they will HAVE to listen to you.
If you only plan to beg them politely, they could choose to ignore you. Whether or not they listened to you in this case would be completely at the pleasure of the party.
Find someone you can’t name then.
I’ll throw two names in:
Tim Walz, the governor of Minnesota.
Marianne Williamson.
Williamson is an absolute loon and Walz wants to stay governor.
Disagree on Williamson being a loon.
Is she willing to just abandon her palm-reading business to be president, though? Who will run her shop while she is in Washington?
She doesn’t read palms as far as I know.
I’ve never heard anyone cogently criticizing her on the issues.
What about Jim McDonugal?
Or Frank T. Millerson?
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Jill Stein???
Id argue the other 3 are optimal choices, but Stein is almost certainly a Russian stooge.
Aoc can’t run until next election, Michelle Obama has zero interest in being president (didn’t even want to be first lady), Elizabeth Warren isn’t much younger than trump and Biden (and a lot of moderates still won’t vote for a woman, see: Hillary Clinton), and Jill Stein is just as old too and part of the green party which isn’t going to even have a chance at winning a presidential election until there is no climate left to change unfortunately
Point of fact: she can run as long as she’s old enough to take office before inauguration day, which she will be. But party leadership would rather nominate Trump to run against Trump than nominate a progressive.
Absolutely. I honestly think they would rather just not run a candidate (or pick somebody they know will lose and give them no money) than have an actual progressive win. There’s a lot of establishment there. And a lot of desire to keep pounding the same stupid drums of social justice and abortion and gun control rather than deal with real problems like the bottom 99.9% getting fucked over by the top 0.1%, or the effective state of regulatory capture in many industries.
There is a divide and conquer strategy being used against the American people and it is working. We are at each other’s throats over wedge issues that, while important and worthy of discussion, are not even close to the biggest problems facing our nation.
We now have two generations that gave up on having kids because wages are stagnant and housing prices are insane and rather than discuss the breakdown of the overall social contract and loss of upward mobility, we are at each other’s throats over whether we should ban this gun or that gun or which bathroom we should be allowed to use. It’s the modern-day version of the Arena in Rome- The population is distracted by gladiators while the nation is being run into the ground.
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Yeah there is zero chance for Hillary. She lost to Trump the first time, what would make anybody think she could beat him again? Besides even the left doesn’t like her much. And the way she ran her campaign against Trump suggests she should be managing a hot dog cart not a country.
The mere suggestion of Jill Stein clearly demonstrates that you do not have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. Holy crap.
Warren is a good suggestion. Not Bernie tier but a step in the right direction