Have you went down any internet rabbit holes only to come out with a deep set existential crisis? If so, what are they?

  • stewie3128@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    In the old Star Wars Expanded Universe, there was mention of a Shawken Device which, if operable, could destroy the universe.

    This has led me to conclude that the universe probably isn’t infinite.

    In an infinite universe, all possible things should be happening at the same time. This would necessarily mean that someone invented a device/mechanism/reaction that could destroy the universe, and successfully activated it, thus ending the universe.

    There are only two possible conclusions that I can draw from this thought experiment, which are not mutually exclusive:

    1. The universe is not infinite, and/or
    2. It is not possible to destroy the universe.
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      4 months ago

      Relativity proved that time isn’t a constant thing where all things occur at “the present”. You can have situations where person 1 sees an event happen as A B and person 2 sees that same event happen as B A.

      That means time isn’t some absolute framework that reality exists in, but something more like a property of matter or space or something.

      Also the speed of light seems to be applicable here. Or more accurately, the speed at which events propagate through space. If you pushed a button to end the universe wouldn’t that event only go at light speed out in all directions? So maybe the button has been pushed (maybe an infinite number of times too) and all the shockwaves just haven’t gotten here yet.

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        4 months ago

        You can have situations where person 1 sees an event happen as A B and person 2 sees that same event happen as B A.

        This is only true if A and B are not causally related. If A causes B all observers will see A causing B.

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          4 months ago

          Are you 100% on that? I thought it was recently proved that it actually could be reversed. Maybe I misunderstood. Thinking about this stuff makes my brain feel fuzzy and numb, but like, more than usual.

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            4 months ago

            Yes, I am 100% on that.

            If A causes B, that is true for all observers. Otherwise you get into causeless actions.

            Imagine observer 1 (O1), sees one rock (A) crash into another (B) and it changes it’s direction of travel. O1 has on opinion on the sequence of events.

            How imagine observer 2, (O2) watching the same events from a different perspective.

            There is no situation or perspective O2 can take which would have B change direction before the collision with A.

            Therefore no matter their perspective both O1 and O2 agree on the sequence of events. Thus causality is fundamental.

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      4 months ago

      In an infinite universe, all possible things should be happening at the same time

      Misunderstanding of infinity.

      E.g.: 1.101100111000… is an infinitely long number, yet it will never be bigger than 1.2 nor smaller than 1.1, it does not contain all digits, nor does it contain all possible combinations of 0s and 1s.

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      4 months ago
      1. The universe is almost definitely not infiinte, but we will never be able to prove it.
      2. Have you heard of vacuum decay?
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        4 months ago

        Have you heard of vacuum decay?

        I know, right? They barely make consumer grade products that last nowadays.

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        4 months ago

        It’s only infinite in the sense that it’s beyond our measurement. And whether or not it is infinite doesn’t even matter to us because of the speed of light and the expansion of space itself. There is a sphere around us that is all we will ever know or experience or be able to affect. Outside that sphere other things can and do exist, but we are fundamentally separated from them forever. There are entire galaxies we will never see because the light will never reach us. That is wild to me.