• iheartneopets@lemm.ee
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    4 months ago

    You had me until the last sentence. There are a lot of deeply misguided—and plain fucking stupid—reasons that circumcision has become seen as the ‘norm’ in the US, but I don’t think it’s how the American people takes its aggression out on men?? That’s a pretty unhinged thing to think. I understand the anger and frustration at genital mutilation of babies (bc that’s what it is, in my opinion), but let’s come back to earth a bit.

    EDIT: since this comment is getting attention, I just wanted to add that it really does seem like people are waking up to how fucked circumcision is. We just had a baby, and as part of our stack of information brochures given to us by the hospital (in Oklahoma, a deeply red state), there was a whole page dedicated to circumcision pros and cons. You could tell it heavily favored not circumcising, and preserving bodily autonomy was it’s own full bullet point on the cons side, as well as busting myths that people perpetuate trying to justify it still.

    Also, in our infant care courses, they showed some really awful pictures of freshly-circumcised baby penises. We had already decided not to circumcise for obvious moral reasons, but that made us feel even more secure in our decision. I feel like more parents need to see that stuff to make them realize what’s actually going to be done to their baby with the procedure.

    All that to say, I think there’s hope for decreasing the occurrences of this deeply awful cultural practice!

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      Insurance companies should do what they do and make it be a cosmetic surgery and not cover it. It should cost thousands in cash.

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        Leveraging the broken health care system to attack the revanchist cultural system?

        I mean, maybe. But when child birth already runs into the $20k-$50k range, I doubt anyone is going to notice the $150 they charge for foreskin removal until the bill arrives.

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          That’s what they’re saying. The typical cost is $20k-$50k, with all but ~$3k covered by insurance.

          If insurance doesn’t cover it it’s now $1200 out of pocket.

          Making it illegal would be better, but that requires convincing people. Even if you approve of circumcision, you’re still not going to be surprised when your insurance company drops what you consider to be something important.

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            If insurance doesn’t cover it it’s now $1200 out of pocket.

            Where does a routine circumcision cost $1200? That’s the same as Lasik.

            Making it illegal would be better

            Maybe you could try this by leveraging all the anti-Trans legislation.

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              I can honestly tell you I did not search very hard. First results for how much it cost said $500 cash price, and up to $4000 as billed to insurance. I picked a number in the middle.

              Honestly it didn’t seem that weird to me that removing skin from the genitals of a newborn would be along the same price as non-invasive outpatient surgery.

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                  It’s an online discussion. I’m not going to go price shopping for average circumcision costs by state broken down by insurance coverage.
                  Random urologist lists cash and insurance prices for infant circumcision? Done, that’s the range I’m using.

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      4 months ago

      An eye for an eye is pretty aggressive when it comes to penis mutilation, especially as the babies haven’t done anything (wrong) yet.