• Maggoty@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    No. Biden must be worthy of the office on his own merits. Or else this voting thing is useless. the people cannot hold their officials accountable if they must vote for them. That’s just an oligarchy with extra steps.

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      6 months ago

      No. You have a responsibility to help the people that you can. Doing nothing while a worse person takes office is the same as you advocating for harm, directly.

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          6 months ago

          Trump is leading in the majority of polls, you’re not going to be able to pressure anybody when he wins.

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            6 months ago

            That’s irrelevant. Trump is not the President. Pressuring him will do us no good.

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              6 months ago

              Lmao, feigning ignorance of a US Election in a comment thread that literally started by talking about the US Election.

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                6 months ago

                Trump has the advantage of being a challenger, he can just say shit. Biden needs to be pressured right now, to save people right now. Is that more clear to you?

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                  6 months ago

                  Pressured by not voting for him in the general election?

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                    6 months ago

                    Yup. But also signposting the shit out of that and being willing to vote for him if he just stops supporting genocide.

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      6 months ago

      So who’s worthy of the office that has a chance to win in November then?

      Let’s see you name someone.

      It’s easy to suggest people not vote- but let’s see you offer up a candidate in Biden’s stead since you hate him so much.

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          Nope. Name someone. Because leaving the field blank doesn’t negate an election. Someone is still going to be president.

          Name someone.

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              6 months ago

              So there it is. You cannot answer a simple question to support your entire ideology.

              Just:

              “biDeN bAD!” … but no alternative suggestions. Which clearly shows you are here in to disrupt.

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                My entire ideology here is not to support genocide. Everything else has been your projection.

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                  You absolutely WILL be supporting genocide by allowing trump to get elected

                  Bit you know that. Don’t you?

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                    6 months ago

                    Trump isn’t the reason for Biden to be elected. That way lies authoritarianism of it’s own kind because it makes it impossible to hold anyone accountable. You might as well let the oligarchy directly tell you who to vote for.

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          6 months ago

          “Just don’t vote”

          “Idk, sounds kind of fascist to me, bro”

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            6 months ago

            How the fuck is it fascism to use a feature of a democracy? You’ve gone completely off the cliff.

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              6 months ago

              The part where Representative Democracy involves Voting to elect a leader, not just voting as a symbolic gesture.

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                6 months ago

                How is voting only for people you actually want running the country in any way symbolic? Versus just always voting for a color. This is possibly the most ridiculous thing you’ve said to me in the last few weeks.

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                  You understate how voting works, right? Like… this was taught to you as some point? Because if You don’t, then I can excuse the ignorance. Otherwise, you really should know better.

                  Not voting won’t cancel an election. Someone is STILL getting elected. So you can either go with “genocide Lite,” or SUPER-MEGA-ULTRA-GYRO GENOCIDE 3000 v2.0.

                  But you’re getting one or the other regardless. You have the choice to help this country along with those in Palestine from suffering worse.

                  And it provenly will be worse.

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                    Oh yes I understand how you think voting works. You go in and pull the lever for whoever the party tells you or you get the stick again. But that’s not a democracy. In a democracy the party bends to the will of the people. Not the people to the party. Or else the Party gets the stick again.

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                  Because then you’re voting for an outcome that won’t exist, or even no outcome at all, and meanwhile somebody far worse gets elected instead.

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                    Dude seems to think that not voting will result in no one being elected. I don’t think they’re teaching this shit in schools anymore.

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                    6 months ago

                    No. In no world is not voting for someone somehow a vote. You cannot coerce votes and still call it a democracy. The entire point is freedom to vote for your choice.