We’re excited to share that Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open, with configurations powered by the latest AMD Ryzen™ CPUs and AMD Radeon™ GPUs. This is truly a notebook like no other: thin and refined, while empowering you with desktop PC-level customization, repairability, and upgradability, including a fully reconfigurable input deck and modular discrete graphics. Prices start at $1399 USD for DIY Edition and $1699 USD for pre-built systems with Ryzen™ 7 7840HS, and adding an AMD R...
  • BURN@lemmy.worldEnglish
    46·
    1 year ago

    At that price I’d honestly just get a MacBook. I know there’s a lot of Apple hate here, but they make phenomenal laptops.

    I probably also wouldn’t ever upgrade my laptop, so framework probably isn’t for me anyways.

    • PeachMan@lemmy.oneEnglish
      41·
      1 year ago

      The point of this machine is to be repairable, not cheap. It allows you to keep the same machine for longer and reduce your e-waste in the long term.

      EDIT: and yes, if you’re not interested in repairability then it’s not really worth it.

    • simple@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      41·
      1 year ago

      Definitely not worth buying if you’re not planning on upgrading it in the future. The point of framework is the customizability and future-proofing, otherwise it’s pretty expensive compared to similar spec-d laptops.

    • Slotos@feddit.nlEnglish
      19·
      1 year ago

      According to configurator, for 2000$ you get a Linux capable laptop with 32 Gb RAM, 2Tb SAD, and one of the top CPUs on the market. It’s definitely not price that MacBooks compete with this on, as anything comparable starts at 500$ more.

      M1 versions do compete on price, but there’s a whole other set of trade offs there.

    • iopq@lemmy.worldEnglish
      18·
      1 year ago

      Enjoy your soldered storage. If it breaks you have to pay out the nose to replace an SSD, the easiest of upgrades/repairs

    • InvaderDJ@lemmy.worldEnglish
      18·
      1 year ago

      You can’t boot Windows or Linux natively on a MacBook, so that would be another reason to not go for it (if you care about that).

      But yeah, this machine is definitely not for people who don’t want to upgrade or modify their device.

    • Untitled_Pribor@kbin.social
      13·
      1 year ago

      Honestly after my experience with the MacBook Pro 13 2017 I can’t take anyone who says that Apple makes phenomenal laptops seriously.

    • cybersandwich@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      1 year ago

      People also sleep on the unified memory of apple silicon. If you get 16gb your GPU can use it. Your cou can use it. Your ML cores can use it.

      I can run some large ai models on my air just because of the unified memory. And the ML cores are insanely fast.

      My m1 Mac air was the first apple product Ive owned and I have to say, I’ve never had a better laptop. It’s so well built, everything works with no driver issues, and iterm2 is one of the best terminal emulators out there.

      • whatsarefoogee@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        1 year ago

        It’s so well built, everything works with no driver issues

        You might run into a lot of driver issues if you try to run anything besides MacOS.

      • BURN@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        1 year ago

        I could, but by the time I need a new laptop (last one I bought was 2017) the chassis and screen end up beat to shit and need to be replaced anyways.

        I also just have no use for upgrades in my laptops. They’re always single purpose machines and I replace them when they break, not when they get slow.

        I have a desktop that keeps up with modern hardware. Never got the need for the same in my laptop

          • BURN@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            Honestly, I’ll say I’ll do it and then never do it.

            The chassis is the most reusable part, which also is the most broken part by the time I’m done with a laptop, so I’d need to buy new internals and a new chassis, at which point I’ve just bought a new laptop

    • tesseract@programming.devEnglish
      9·
      1 year ago

      I have been daily driving an apple silicon macbook pro for over a year. Honestly couldn’t see myself going back and I only use my PC for gaming now.

      Still some small annoyances, but the battery life…

      I am glad framework exists though. It would be the top of my list if I needed a windows laptop for sure.

      • whatsarefoogee@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        1 year ago

        I just go to the Apple Store website, max out the specs

        I just did that and it ended up being $6499 USD. Idk about you, but that’s a bit steep for a laptop to my taste. Id rather buy a $2000 laptop and if it breaks I can literally buy another one while still spending less, or just use the warranty.

      • BURN@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        It’s funny, I felt that way for years, then I actually learned the OS after using windows for the past 20 years.

        I can confidently say I’ll never buy a new windows laptop again due to the OS. I can’t live without my trackpad gestures anymore.

        It’s not for everyone, but I’ve yet to find a use case outside of gaming that a windows laptop is better for.

    • MossBear@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      I used nothing but Apple computers from the early 80’s right until around the time that Steve Jobs died. I really liked what they were back then. Snow Leopard was an amazing OS. I’ve found that the spirit of what I liked about those earlier Apple computers is more present in Linux than in modern Apple computers these days.

      I know there’s been some success with running Linux on Apple hardware, but even so, I’d favor buying into a positive philosophy of how a business should be run and how products should be made just as much as the quality of the hardware. And in the case of Framework, it doesn’t appear they’re making remotely bad hardware.

    • MossBear@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      I used nothing but Apple computers from the early 80’s right until around the time that Steve Jobs died. I really liked what they were back then. Snow Leopard was an amazing OS. I’ve found that the spirit of what I liked about those earlier Apple computers is more present in Linux than in modern Apple computers these days.

      I know there’s been some success with running Linux on Apple hardware, but even so, I’d favor buying into a positive philosophy of how a business should be run and how products should be made just as much as the quality of the hardware. And in the case of Framework, it doesn’t appear they’re making remotely bad hardware.

  • ntzm [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
    40·
    1 year ago

    If I needed a laptop I’d get a framework, sure it’s a bit more expensive at the beginning but you’ll probably save in the long run. It’s also good to show there’s a market for user serviceable tech, hopefully forces big tech’s hand a bit.

  • LordWarfire@feddit.ukEnglish
    12·
    1 year ago

    I’ve placed a pre-order - I expect to be in the market for a laptop this year and considering the specs (especially the 2560x1600 165Hz screen) it’s within a reasonable range of an off the shelf gaming laptop. I keep my hardware for a long time (this will replace an i7-4000 series laptop) so repairability and upgrades matter a lot to me.

    • JshKlsn@lemmy.mlEnglish
      41·
      1 year ago

      It’s a laptop that you can upgrade like a desktop.

      You can also mix and match the ports on it, so you can do a combination of whatever ports you use and need most.

        • JshKlsn@lemmy.mlEnglish
          21·
          1 year ago

          It really is! And if you upgrade your laptop, you can use the old parts to build a mini desktop. They sell an enclosure. So nothing really goes to waste!

          • Vik@lemmy.worldEnglish
            14·
            1 year ago

            And if you had the means to, you could even 3D print your own enclosure since they (and other people) have published files for it.

            I gather you can also repurpose the battery as a portable power pack but I’m not sure if this is specific to the 16

  • anhydrous@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8·
    1 year ago

    Numpad or no numpad? The choice is yours.

    Was this a feature of the previous generation? This is really cool! Framework has settled the numpad debate.

  • MossBear@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    1 year ago

    I’m really excited about these. I hope over time, some standard for modular laptops develops and it extends beyond Framework. Kind of like how we have ATX and ITX motherboards, for example. I don’t pretend to grasp all of the practical issues with making that happen, but it’d be a promising direction.

    • sloppy_steaks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      1 year ago

      “Q4 2023” so no firm date. They also have “Batches” so if you’re in batch 1 vs batch 4 delivery date will be different

      Edit: 2023 (not 2024) Y’all are correct - very misleading typo on my part. My bad!

      • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        Since no firm date I’m guessing very end of the year? I would think they would have said if it was earlier. Unfortunately I think the person I’m recommending needs a computer before that.

        • Evrala@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          1 year ago

          The orders are currently up to Q1 2024, not Q4. The Q4 orders were for 2023. The 2023 pre-orders sold out in less than 10 hours.