Return2ozma: provides tons of mainstream sources demonstrating actual things that objectively happened according to people who have no reason to make it up
This guy over here: “I still don’t believe your conspiracy theory” 🤦
None of those sources substantiate why they would want him to win. I completely agree that Hillary leveraged Debbie to keep Bernie out of the spotlight to force a win of the primary. I’d also believe it’s possible that Bill tried to convince Trump to run in order to ease Hillary’s win in the Presidential election.
Claiming that their goal was getting Trump elected is off the reservation cuckoobananas.
None of those sources substantiate why they would want him to win.
Nobody’s saying that the Hillary campaign wanted Trump to be president. As for why they wanted him to be the nominee, there’s no way that none of the sources say why.
Especially since the Dem party leadership apparently learned nothing and are still using the same pied piper strategy to support far right candidates in Republican primaries for the exact same reason.
Excellent. That’s honestly how all of the implications read in Ozma’s, Anticolonialist’s, and your comments. Not a single one of you completed your thoughts, leaving open inference that I perceived as motive to get Trump elected. I’m glad you hear that’s not your claim.
I can see how they’d ply Trump to run, and perceive him as an easy target in the election.
That doesn’t change the source of the failure. No matter how much pressure Hillary put on Debbie, it was Debbie’s job to remain impartial. It’s a candidate’s job to try to gain favor from the convention, just as it’s the convention’s job to remain impartial.
The blame for Trump’s presidency still falls on the shoulders of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the abstaining voters.
It’s a candidate’s job to try to gain favor from the convention, just as it’s the convention’s job to remain impartial.
“No you don’t understand, political candidates are supposed to be slimy and dishonest!”
Your insufferable attitude aside, that’s an insane position to take and it’s ridiculous you said that without providing anything to defend it like it’s common knowledge or something to be desired in a presidential candidate - especially after you were so anal about things that were explicitly spelled out for you and which you still struggled to understand
It’s the job of a candidate to self-advocate in every avenue. It’s the job of the committee to ensure a fair and impartial primary. Which one failed to do their job?
I assume you also blame Netanyahu for taking your tax dollars instead of the government for providing them?
You’re not making sense, dude. And your analogy is wack, too.
It’s their job to break the rules/cheat? Is it a sportsball player’s job to try and break their rivals’ legs?
Do you blame workers when they lose their jobs when factory jobs are shipped overseas?
I’d be happy to place some blame on lazy/disinterested citizens, complicit corporate media networks, the effect of legalized bribery in politics, but to go the other way and actually say you support candidates doing whatever it takes to win is gross
Have you ever worked with a kiss-ass? Someone who constantly sucks up to the boss and is always trying to impress them, even if they’re not the best at their job? Imagine the boss giving that employee preferential treatment over the other employees. More breaks, days off, buys them lunch, etc.
Who is wrong? The leader or the employee?
A politician’s job during a campaign is self-promotion. Of course they would try to ply favor from their convention. It’s absolutely expected behavior from a person in that position. It’s the conventions job to say no and keep it fair.
I’m not saying Hillary was ethical, but that Debbie was responsible.
Yes. It’s well known that Hillary worked with Debbie Wasserman Schultz to keep Bernie out of the spotlight. Her goal was to force a win of the primary, not give the election to Trump.
It’s the ethical responsibility of the convention, not the candidate, to ensure an impartial primary. It’s a candidate’s job to self-advocate. It’s the convention’s job to keep it fair and balanced.
Hillary was a disappointment. Debbie was a failure.
It was the Hillary campaign’s decision to help elevate Trump to the nomination and give him as much media exposure as possible, thinking that it would make it easy for her to win.
It was also them that ran one of the worst presidential campaigns in history, including telling people not to vote for her and neglecting to campaign in key swing states out of pure arrogant hubris.
Inescapable conclusion to anyone who isn’t a Hillary stan or otherwise a blind Dem party loyalist:
Hillary and her campaign are more culpable for Trump infesting the white house than anyone else outside of the far right echo chamber and foreign agents.
So you reject the verified conspiracy of Debbie Wasserman Schultz intentionally shielding Bernie from the media prior to the primary, as well as the proof of exceptionally low Democratic voter turnout, in favor of a theory that claims the Clintons wanted a Russian conspiring real estate fraud to be President over Hillary.
How many millions of votes did Bernie lose the primary to Clinton by? Five?
I remember turning out for him, only to find reality drowned out by the online noise (read: misogyny) that still reverberates to this day. At the polling places? Crickets. The American public reaped what it sowed, and watching these conspiracy artists attempt to re-write history is little more than them climbing back into the hamster wheel. Vote.
Thank you for your sane and rational response. Between Ozma, VikingHippie, and Anticolonialist, I feel like the only orderly working the night shift at the asylum.
I’m aware they were friends. Bill and Trump hung out in the same circles, including Epstein’s island. I still don’t believe your conspiracy theory.
The Clintons are capitalist conservatives posing as Democrats.
Trump is an authoritarian dictator Russian puppet.
They want to fuck this nation in entirely different positions.
Return2ozma: provides tons of mainstream sources demonstrating actual things that objectively happened according to people who have no reason to make it up
This guy over here: “I still don’t believe your conspiracy theory” 🤦
None of those sources substantiate why they would want him to win. I completely agree that Hillary leveraged Debbie to keep Bernie out of the spotlight to force a win of the primary. I’d also believe it’s possible that Bill tried to convince Trump to run in order to ease Hillary’s win in the Presidential election.
Claiming that their goal was getting Trump elected is off the reservation cuckoobananas.
Nobody’s saying that the Hillary campaign wanted Trump to be president. As for why they wanted him to be the nominee, there’s no way that none of the sources say why.
Especially since the Dem party leadership apparently learned nothing and are still using the same pied piper strategy to support far right candidates in Republican primaries for the exact same reason.
Excellent. That’s honestly how all of the implications read in Ozma’s, Anticolonialist’s, and your comments. Not a single one of you completed your thoughts, leaving open inference that I perceived as motive to get Trump elected. I’m glad you hear that’s not your claim.
I can see how they’d ply Trump to run, and perceive him as an easy target in the election.
That doesn’t change the source of the failure. No matter how much pressure Hillary put on Debbie, it was Debbie’s job to remain impartial. It’s a candidate’s job to try to gain favor from the convention, just as it’s the convention’s job to remain impartial.
The blame for Trump’s presidency still falls on the shoulders of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the abstaining voters.
“No you don’t understand, political candidates are supposed to be slimy and dishonest!”
Your insufferable attitude aside, that’s an insane position to take and it’s ridiculous you said that without providing anything to defend it like it’s common knowledge or something to be desired in a presidential candidate - especially after you were so anal about things that were explicitly spelled out for you and which you still struggled to understand
It’s the job of a candidate to self-advocate in every avenue. It’s the job of the committee to ensure a fair and impartial primary. Which one failed to do their job?
I assume you also blame Netanyahu for taking your tax dollars instead of the government for providing them?
You’re not making sense, dude. And your analogy is wack, too.
It’s their job to break the rules/cheat? Is it a sportsball player’s job to try and break their rivals’ legs?
Do you blame workers when they lose their jobs when factory jobs are shipped overseas?
I’d be happy to place some blame on lazy/disinterested citizens, complicit corporate media networks, the effect of legalized bribery in politics, but to go the other way and actually say you support candidates doing whatever it takes to win is gross
Your analogies don’t fit this scenario at all.
Have you ever worked with a kiss-ass? Someone who constantly sucks up to the boss and is always trying to impress them, even if they’re not the best at their job? Imagine the boss giving that employee preferential treatment over the other employees. More breaks, days off, buys them lunch, etc.
Who is wrong? The leader or the employee?
A politician’s job during a campaign is self-promotion. Of course they would try to ply favor from their convention. It’s absolutely expected behavior from a person in that position. It’s the conventions job to say no and keep it fair.
I’m not saying Hillary was ethical, but that Debbie was responsible.
They wanted him to win the GOP Primary, not the general election.
It’s well known…
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/
By Donna Brazile, the former interim chair of the Democratic National Committee.
Yes. It’s well known that Hillary worked with Debbie Wasserman Schultz to keep Bernie out of the spotlight. Her goal was to force a win of the primary, not give the election to Trump.
It’s the ethical responsibility of the convention, not the candidate, to ensure an impartial primary. It’s a candidate’s job to self-advocate. It’s the convention’s job to keep it fair and balanced.
Hillary was a disappointment. Debbie was a failure.
It was the Hillary campaign’s decision to help elevate Trump to the nomination and give him as much media exposure as possible, thinking that it would make it easy for her to win.
It was also them that ran one of the worst presidential campaigns in history, including telling people not to vote for her and neglecting to campaign in key swing states out of pure arrogant hubris.
Inescapable conclusion to anyone who isn’t a Hillary stan or otherwise a blind Dem party loyalist:
Hillary and her campaign are more culpable for Trump infesting the white house than anyone else outside of the far right echo chamber and foreign agents.
So you reject the verified conspiracy of Debbie Wasserman Schultz intentionally shielding Bernie from the media prior to the primary, as well as the proof of exceptionally low Democratic voter turnout, in favor of a theory that claims the Clintons wanted a Russian conspiring real estate fraud to be President over Hillary.
Do you get enough sun in your rabbit hole?
How many millions of votes did Bernie lose the primary to Clinton by? Five?
I remember turning out for him, only to find reality drowned out by the online noise (read: misogyny) that still reverberates to this day. At the polling places? Crickets. The American public reaped what it sowed, and watching these conspiracy artists attempt to re-write history is little more than them climbing back into the hamster wheel. Vote.
Thank you for your sane and rational response. Between Ozma, VikingHippie, and Anticolonialist, I feel like the only orderly working the night shift at the asylum.
There is evidence that Trump has been to the island on multiple occasions via testimony by Epstein’s brother.
There is evidence that Clinton rode on Epstein’s Plane to various AIDs relief sites in Africa.
There is NO evidence that Clinton has ever been to the island.