• save_vs_death [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    This is the dystopian future that civil-liberty campaigners are most afraid of - a China-style mass-surveillance state.

    This is so rich coming from the UK, the most CCTVed country in the world. Oh no, if we keep doing this insane-o shit we’ll become almost as bad as the image we made up about bad country Jyna.

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        For context, Chinese cops are unarmed. This is fine because people in China don’t have guns.

        As a tangent, I got reminded of someone saying that the presence of 50 000 guns in China proves that gun control always fails, completely ignoring the fact that China has a population of 1 400 000 000. That is a rate of 0.000036 guns per person. In comparison, the USA has more guns than people.

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          The London met are unarmed I think, at least the normal people.

          Australia doesn’t have many guns and people that have them tend to be the most law abiding (even in terms of traffic offenses lmao) but our cops carry 3 torture implements, a glock, wear kevlar vests, and have a long gun in the car along with a few more torture implements.

          It’s fucking terrifying. No idea why they think they need all that, I immediately feel unsafe every time I see one because they’re the only people armed with anything. Nobody even carries knives here, let alone pepper spray or guns.

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            Its hilarious when there’s crazy knife guys in China cause theres a mancatcher pole in every public building so you’ll see like random shopkeeps and security guards pin the guy to a wall with 6 polearms while a public security dude with a shield walks up to disarm. Once again proving pikes are the superior medieval weapon.

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              Honestly I wish our cops used mancatchers. They’re so much more humane than pepperspray or tasers. you get a little bruised, held at arms length so no chance of escalation through confusion/wrestling/going for weapons etc, worst case you fall which is a given with a taser.

              Like even if there’s just confusion and the wrong person gets caught with one there’s some embarrassment and brusing and then it’s over. No lingering agony, no voided bowels, no chance of heart attack, no burns, no accidental blinding, no asthma attack etc etc.

              I guess it’s not intimidating enough for the absolute dropkicks that sign up to the police academy and you can’t secure a multimillion dollar contract making them and selling consumables.

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                Thankfully, the crazy knife people are aware of the ramifications of starting an arms race, and would rather not have to face off against phalanxes of food stall vendors with increasingly long mancatchers.

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            Also, say, a pig actually uses a taser on a 95 year old lady with dementia in a nursing home and kills her, he immediately got charged with manslaughter and you see almost zero “back the blue” posts.

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              I’m having trouble understanding your post.

              If you’re talking about Senior Constable Kristian White he did not immediately get charged with manslaughter, although it was upgraded to that. He is currently suspended with pay iirc and awaiting being found not guilty in November.

              Then again maybe he will be found guilty, the cops have royally pissed off the magistrate in charge of this case by redacting documents and faffing about.

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                Must have misremembered the turn of events. Even so, a manslaughter charge instead of no punishment and moving into the private sector is a pretty clear difference to American cops, like the one that ordered an innocent guy to crawl towards him with his feet crossed and also don’t move, and executed him when he didn’t do the conflicting instructions correctly

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                  Australia is somewhat functional, the civil service does their best and our courts are okayish. Most of the people I’ve spoken to who commit atrocity in the name of the law feel trapped by it rather than enforce it with glee.

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          Cops in china are not only unarmed but they are also friendly and helpful, from my experience anyway even as a dumb annoying westerner.

          Completely different vibe from cops in imperial core

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        Most cops are unarmed in the UK. There’s just a detachment of armed ones in the busiest hubs in central London, closer to the queen and houses of parliament and all that.

        As someone said, London Metropolitan Police (responsible for the 32 boroughs) is unarmed, but within London there’s ‘City of London Police’ for that specific area. They’re the guns.

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        I’ve seen more armed military on a single day in Tian’anmen square that in a cumulated 10 days in London, I know hexbear is supposed to be satire but give me a break.

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    This is the kind of thing where I want a single failure to mean a ban on that company ever doing anything similar again

    Oh, you got one person’s face wrong one single time? Sucks to suck. No more facial recognition for you. In fact, no more security cameras at all, no loss prevention staff, you’re literally not allowed to take any steps to prevent theft anymore because you’ve proven you can’t be trusted with that power.

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    Hey just FYI it’s illegal to have your bag searched as a condition of exiting. At least in the US. It’s kidnapping.

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      To elaborate: if the store does not require any sort of membership or rule to use (e.g. not a Costco or Sam’s Club), no one has the authority to stop you or search you. You can ignore them and just walk out. But if they ask you to leave, you do have to leave or else it’s trespassing, but they must warn you and give you the opportunity to leave first.

      Also, if you do give consent to be searched or detained by security/staff, then basically you lose most of your defenses. They can do whatever they want to a “reasonable” degree, e.g. rummage through your shit, dump it all out, take pictures, make you wait for cops, etc.

      I usually just flash my receipt to the old lady when I leave and they wave me through. But if there’s a long line I’m just going to cut everyone and leave lol.

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        Also, the membership doesn’t intrinsically allow them to do that, there’s a provision in the agreement.

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    The tech might not be perfect yet but with some improvement I’m sure they can get it to 40/40 false positives and keep every customer out of stores making retail almost bearable to work in.