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    6 months ago

    How does it feel funding a fascist organization?

    It is undesirable that politicians use our tax money this way, yes. This is a pretty dumb attempt at a semantic “gotcha” given that I’m here literally criticizing the Democrats for helping fund ICE.

    Yes. They are my tax dollars. No, I do not want them spent that way. The Democrats do want to spend them on fascist shit. Do you understand how that works? How not supporting a thing is not the same as supporting it?

    Conservative post-truth bullshit has really scrambled people’s brains.

    Are you suggesting that there are empty ICE detention facilities somewhere, that aren’t holding any migrants so that they can be deliberately put into only a few of them?

    No, I’m suggesting that the entire idea behind the mass detainment is false and cruel, that it doesn’t matter how much money you give ICE they will not use it to try to fix the problem that they have intentionally created because they are a racist organization created explicitly to brutalize brown immigrants and migrants.

    Like, your fascist brain can’t even wrap itself around the fact that maybe there’s some other reality here besides the one right-wingers have been portraying for the past twenty years.

    Your rhetoric is quite literally indistinguishable from that of a MAGA supporter.

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      6 months ago

      It is undesirable that politicians use our tax money this way, yes. This is a pretty dumb attempt at a semantic “gotcha” given that I’m here literally criticizing the Democrats for helping fund ICE.

      Yes. They are my tax dollars. No, I do not want them spent that way. The Democrats do want to spend them on fascist shit. Do you understand how that works? How not supporting a thing is not the same as supporting it?

      My point is that whether you say you “want” to support it or not, you are.

      Similarly, whether or not Biden “wants” to support it, he’s embedded in a system that sometimes might do things he doesn’t want. In particular, on immigration, a lot of it is in the hands of people in congress who are explicitly malicious.

      I’m not trying to excuse him for anything, and he’s obviously in a better position to influence the system than you are. But, just like you not wanting your tax dollars to fund something you don’t want doesn’t really change whether it happens (and so, you are funding a fascist organization), Biden wanting the immigration policy to be one way or another doesn’t really mean anything if congress is setting rules that he doesn’t want.

      I don’t think it’s a secret that the Republicans have been pushing for more explicit cruelty in our system and Biden has been compromising with them in order to try to accomplish other things (some of which are good things for people), even knowing that some of what comes in might be bad, in the same way that you might pay your taxes even knowing that some of what it’s funding is bad.

      Surely makes sense? Maybe not, IDK; apparently my brain is scrambled. But to me the analogy seemed to be pretty understandable.

      Like, your fascist brain can’t even wrap itself around the fact that maybe there’s some other reality here besides the one right-wingers have been portraying for the past twenty years.

      Your rhetoric is quite literally indistinguishable from that of a MAGA supporter.

      You caught me man. If there’s one thing that’s a common thread in all of my comments it’s love for the right-wing reality and MAGA style rhetoric. Go back and read my comments about ICE and imagine them on Truth Social, and they’d fit right in.