• riseuppikmin[he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    I agree with the analysis of Biden being an unwinnable candidate, but I really think the stain that heā€™s put on the Democratic party is too deep now to convince the critical portion you identify as needing to come back in time. Youā€™d have to see a near-unified front of popular DNC figures (read: Obama), respected social democrats (Bernie, Warren), party leaders, mainstream media sources (primarily MSNBC and CNN) and most of congress providing rebukes of positions and stances theyā€™ve been vehemently screaming about for 7 months at this rate while directly throwing Biden under the bus in an attempt to pin all of this on Biden. Also many of these people have provided direct condemnations of the people they need to build their ground game. Theyā€™re trying to build their ground game through hiring- I donā€™t think this will work.

    I see neither the party will (at the DNC level- they seem happily delusional that this will either all blow over or people will fall in line; they donā€™t understand this is a turnout battle), itā€™s main messaging apparatus (MSNBC, CNN), nor its elected representatives really even being willing to go along with the replacement plan. The only hope I think democrats have is Biden dying (which youā€™ve also identified). I additionally think heā€™s about poisoned electoral politics as the primary societal vehicle of change to a large contingent of millennials and an even larger portion of Gen Z.

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      (Et al.)ā€¦ providing rebukes of positions and stances theyā€™ve been vehemently screaming about for 7 months at this rate. Also many of these people have provided direct condemnations of the people they need to build their ground game. Theyā€™re trying to build their ground game through hiring- I donā€™t think this will work.

      100% on both points. Its why Iā€™m now effectively arguing for a yet identified 3rd party candidate. I think Jon Stewart could win. And to your second point, spending on elections has become utterly detached from outcomes. If everything is advertising, then nothing is advertising. You canā€™t buy elections with ad-dollars any more. Grass roots organizing works because you create evangelists by empowering them to do your work for you. Bernies approach started in 2015 is still paying dividends. The approach has staying power. I think even if Biden goes ass over tea kettle, if the next nominee doesnā€™t pivot, they also will not win.

      Now to oppose this pointā€¦ It looks like Trump might end up being a convicted felon and possibly in jail? I mean this truly is a race to the bottom in terms of voter disenfranchisement. I donā€™t know what this does to his chances. I donā€™t know if Romney throws his hat in the race at that point. Maybe DeSantis hops back in? Hell Trump could suffer a massive heart attack any moment with the stress heā€™s under. What happens then?

      There are still a lot of unknowns this far out. But its clear to me that Democrats have destroyed the Democratic party for decades to come. If we can survive this cycle, its time to build that third party out of millennials and GenZ