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minus-squareCowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up10arrow-down2·7 months agoBoth are class societies, yes. Both are fundamentally different relations of classes.
minus-squareViking_Hippie@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up4arrow-down4·7 months agoThere are differences, yes, but they’re built on the same foundation and as such by definition NOT fundamentally different.
minus-squareCowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up6arrow-down2·7 months agoThey don’t have the same foundation. Aristocrat/serf dynamics are entirely different from Bourgeois/Proletarian relations. Reading Marx would help you.
minus-squareViking_Hippie@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up3arrow-down5·7 months ago Aristocrat/serf dynamics are entirely different from Bourgeois/Proletarian relations. They most certainly aren’t. Reading Marx would help you. I have. Guess what: he wasn’t right about everything.
minus-squareCowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up4·7 months agoSerfs have a certified existence, they do not sell their labor in a market. They work their land, without participating in Capitalism. Proletarians do not have a certified existence. They compete against each other in a labor market. The difference is stark despite both being working classes.
Both are class societies, yes. Both are fundamentally different relations of classes.
There are differences, yes, but they’re built on the same foundation and as such by definition NOT fundamentally different.
They don’t have the same foundation. Aristocrat/serf dynamics are entirely different from Bourgeois/Proletarian relations.
Reading Marx would help you.
They most certainly aren’t.
I have. Guess what: he wasn’t right about everything.
Serfs have a certified existence, they do not sell their labor in a market. They work their land, without participating in Capitalism.
Proletarians do not have a certified existence. They compete against each other in a labor market.
The difference is stark despite both being working classes.