• Carrolade@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Don’t let a thirst for justice get in the way of finding allies. It’s about the school districts and their future, not the individuals trying to fuck them up with religious indoctrination.

    So, it’s not “good for her” as much as “good for those kids”. And what she deserves or not is less important than those kids futures of being brainwashed or not. She’s just one person, and punishing her would accomplish nothing helpful, you’re not going to scare off her old friends that way or anything.

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      6 months ago

      She’s just one person, and punishing her would accomplish nothing helpful, you’re not going to scare off her old friends that way or anything.

      They didn’t say anything about punishing her, just that she shouldn’t be applauded for switching from an asshole to less of an asshole.

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        6 months ago

        Personally I think we should always applaud learning if we want to encourage it further.

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          6 months ago

          I’m not going to applaud someone for abusing someone less. She is still a committed Republican who just decided this particular approach in imposing her terrible views was wrong.

          “I’m over the political agenda, hypocrisy bs,” Gore wrote. “I took part in it myself. I refuse to participate in it any longer. It’s not serving our party. We have to do better.”

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            6 months ago

            Sure, but I think improvement is worth acknowledging. We should not limit reward to just some kind of good enough.

            People do not have to learn or grow, it is in no way required to be a live American citizen that exerts power in our system. If we want people to do it, it needs to be supported. Even if that is sometimes distasteful.

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                6 months ago

                Afraid so. I believe in rehabilitation over punishment for criminals, with the goal being the eventual cessation of the behavior.

                edit: Side note, not because I like it, but because it is necessary to fix our criminal justice system. We have a very abnormally high recidivism rate, where convicted criminals frequently go on to commit more crimes. Also, while relying on severe punishment may make us feel better, it does not actually work to reduce crime. It is also expensive.

                So, as uncomfortable as it may sound, it’s about treatment of the core problems with the goal of eventual release back into society. Even for animal abuse. It’s a challenging issue, unfortunately.

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                  6 months ago

                  Rehabilitation requires understanding that doing a thing is wrong. Gore shows no signs that she thinks the thing is wrong, just that the way that the extremist members of the party went about it was wrong, and that it impacted her personally.

                  I also support rehabilitation, but that isn’t relevant in this case.

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                    6 months ago

                    Not necessarily, no. You don’t reduce recidivism by preaching right and wrong, you do it by cultivating healthy behaviors. Criminals, or republicans for that matter, are not afraid of punishment, and don’t really care about right or wrong.

                    So, you need to kind of help them grow more healthy practices and adaptations, kind of like re-parenting them, since somebody screwed it up initially. It’s ultimately selfishly beneficial to be a good person, and this can be taught. This is more effective than simply leaning on right/wrong like they’re a young child or something.

                    I mean, do you not do bad things simply because “they’re wrong”, or do not do them because they would make your life worse in ways you can consider, and you have better alternatives?