At various times, most social media platforms have received criticism for alleged failure to prevent distribution of copyright-infringing content. Few, however, have been threatened with widespread blocking more often than Telegram. In a row that seemed ready to boil over last year, Telegram was given an ultimatum by the Malaysian government; come to the negotiating table or face the consequences. A Malaysian minister now says that Telegram is ready to fight piracy.
Too bad Telegram isn’t as ready to fight Nazi propaganda on their service, but they would have to start with the white supremacist symbolism their own blog was slipping into release posts.
Can you provide a link for this? Interested in reading about it
I rather have free speech, if you don’t like Telegram then use something else.
Putting someone else’s life in danger (unprovoked) is not a free speech
That’s different, free speech is not about putting people on danger.
Promoting nazism IS inherently putting people in danger, that IS their thing
Ok, but it’s what telegram has. So would you rather keep your “free” speech and put others in danger, or lose it to keep others safe?
Putting people in danger is banned in Telegram already, there is a line.
Tolerating intolerance leads to disappearance of tolerance.
With open dialogue, education and respect you can have both.
How does/can dialogue, education, and respect include intolerance? Isn’t intolerance inherently disrespectful, uneducated, and non-dialogue?
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Just Google the paradox of tolerance. It’s really not as complicated as you’re making it out to be.
Also, punching Nazis is always morally correct. If you wouldn’t attack a nazi because they’re not currently threatening you specifically then you won’t develop any additional moral prerogative in time of civil war - you’ll join them, because they’re still not threatening you specifically, while fair and equal redistribution of resources will effect you. You don’t have any sort of morality or ideology underlying your objection, you just think extreme things are bad because you’re not given a choice.
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You literally talk in your other reply about how you’ll join them. You can’t just sit down and talk about how they want to kill the jews and you don’t - your willingness to hear them out inherently legitimises their ideas as being reasonable and able to be reasoned about.
I know you don’t fully understand how the way that you say something can be as informative as what you actually say, but I don’t need to assume - you did actually tell me in your comment that you don’t really mind nazis as long as they’re not being violent towards you.
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You really don’t understand that the things you say have meanings, do you?
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You got that wrong. Nazis are already being violent; punching a nazi is not starting violence, it’s a defensive measure, it’s a response to violence. But sure if your response to violence is “let’s sit with the nazis and make a nazi bar” then sure, you do you.
I find your point interesting and I agree to some extent.
When I have people around me that express some type of radical view I usually casually mention a slight disagreement or let it slide because I know going into a debate with me won’t really change much.
However expressing opinions and feelings that are inherently based on hatred or lack of understanding, at least from what history has told, will lead to them being acted upon. Having resenting opinions about LGBT, for example, and grouping up with people with that mindset will probably spiral it into more lack of understanding and stronger opinions against it. Eventually leading to a growing and potentially spreading resentment against it. This extends to religion, skin colour, countries, mental diagnoses or anything else really.
What the “core” is so to speak is about things that people can’t inherently control, being born differently, being born in a certain place, etc.
Nazi bullshit isn’t free speech. That’s a trash argument. You need to look inside and find what part of you is broken if you think otherwise. Fuck Nazi anything. They don’t have a right to free speech. They lost that when they became Nazi’s.
Mute or else, it’s that easy.
Lol…is that some kind of threat?
You sound deranged, buddy
If you disagree that’s your opinion buddy
Funny how the .ml admins are so opposed to free speech on their own server, then.
I’m disappointed so many people disagree with this. Yes, now they’re blocking opinions you don’t like, but if they choose to block opinions you agree with, I doubt they’d continue whistling the same tune.
There’s a big difference between blocking baseless, hate-fueled bullshit, and blocking actually credible information proving that people in power are encroaching on the rights and freedoms of others…
It seems this instance is becoming like second Reddit.
First you say you’d rather have freedom of speech when arguing about keeping racial bullshit alive on the platform.
Then you say you’re against freedom of speech when the platform starts to look like Reddit with people calling out that racist troglodytes have no place in modern society.
Hmmm, it’s almost like you don’t want freedom of speech, you want pools to blast diarrhea into.
I want freedom of speech not second reddit
No, you want validation for your shitty ideology, buddy.
Or you.
But you clearly don’t want freedom of speech, because that would allow for people to leave comments exactly in line with those that you’d see on Reddit.
.ml user don’t be a fascist challenge.
Free speech is not about being fascist 🙄
Sure, but what you’re describing isn’t freedom of speech; freedom of speech is the prohibition against the government taking action for the contents of the opinions you express. It has nothing to do with what a non-government platform allows or disallows.
A platform that allows Nazis is a Nazi platform, plain and simple.
I realize you’re probably a dishonest pos, so this is for the benefit of whoever else reads it.
It’s also censorship if we are speaking of platforms.
Hopefully the package containing all the fucks I give doesn’t get lost in the mail.
Edit: There’s either a bunch of Nazis supporting this fucker or they’re using alt accounts.
He’s got a temp ban and I’ve banned a suspected alt account upvoting him from our instance. It’ll be a permanent ban if he comes back for more.
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Good for you and we don’t care