is the man or bear thing rhetorically or optically the perfect feminist meme that is beyond criticism? no.

but is it leaps and bounds better at getting men to understand the material consequences of patriarchy on the physical and emotional health of women than that stupid “kill all men” meme from last decade? definitely.

  • @HauntedCupcake@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2•1 month ago

    Thank you for responding.

    What I’m getting is that patriarchy is a system that is structured in a way that it benefits (or disenfranchises less) those that are:

    • White
    • Wealthy
    • Born in a “Western” country?
    • Able bodied
    • Straight and cis gendered

    And that you can keep identifying different traits and expanding the list where relevant?

    • @spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
      4•1 month ago

      No that’s kind of the opposite of the point I was making. The patriarchy is only one of all those systems of oppression that I listed.

      There is a lot of crossover, yes, but I am not equivocating any of those. They are generally distinct.

      • @HauntedCupcake@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3•1 month ago

        Ah, gotcha, sorry my mistake. Thank you for all your help btw.

        So it’s specific for when men are less disenfranchised than women? Regardless of the perpetrator of said injustice?

        So looking at that other guys examples. The only one that doesn’t immediately make sense is:

        Or if some women asking for some sort of benefits over men is patriarchy

        And to me the only example that comes to mind is women expecting men to pay for dates? Which I think is part of patriarchy as it’s inherited from a time where women couldn’t work or had severely limited career prospects?

        And other things like

        Or if some women shaming men for not being masculine enough is patriarchy.

        are a response to a historic lack of agency among women, requiring them to force their husbands to find success for them.

        I’m not getting this one though, could you explain how this is patriarchy?

        Wonder if some women abusing men is patriarchy.

        • @spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
          2•1 month ago

          Some of this is starting to get beyond my rhetorical capacity so I won’t pretend to have answers for your questions here, I apologize.

          Maybe other commenters can give you satisfactory answers, but in the meantime I’ll refer you to this book by bell hooks (free PDF). Should get you 99.9% of the way there. :)