• @disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    That’s fair. There’s no definition for civil rights or social restrictions in a form of economy, so I just chose Russia as an example.

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      2 months ago

      And you are absolutely right to choose Russia as an example. While they are not and have never been communist. They were the very model of a Marxist leninist government. And Putin is a direct spin-off of their kgb. Each and every one of the modern Russian oligarchs has direct ties back to the party’s elite. So you absolutely can trace it all back to Marxist leninism.

      My only real objection was the name communism getting caught up in the middle of it far too much than it ever deserved. Many of us in the west really have no idea what it is or what it means. And ML gleefully misuse it only confusing the situation more.

      But your criticism of Russia is very valid.

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        2 months ago

        I guess I also could have referenced oppressive civil rights issues in Cuba as a more accurate example of communism existing with authoritarianism.

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          32 months ago

          They’re also ML. Very much having an overreaching state and currency. Though the argument could be made that they are the best behaved of all ml examples. Largely because of their isolation and general lack of resources. They haven’t sought massive expansion or been the subject of outside interests.

          Largely being left to themselves and their own devices. They kind of stagnated in a bubble. They do have significant cultural and social oppression. A lot of external media is not allowed in. Although that’s not all on cuba. There’s no money in it for capitalists. So they make no effort. Even China will allow Western media in within reason.