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- politics@lemmy.world
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/14604927
Conservatives Quickly Turn Against āIdiotā Marjorie Taylor Greene
The Georgia Republican is fast falling out of favor for her opposition to the Ukraine aid bill.
Representative Marjorie Taylor Greeneās failed fight to end aid to Ukraine, and herĀ sort-of-serious crusadeĀ against House Speaker Mike Johnson, has cost her the support of right-wing media.
The Sunday front page of the New York Post, owned by the conservative Murdoch family, was the latest outlet toĀ attackĀ Greene, invoking the āMoscow Marjorieā nicknameĀ coinedĀ by former representative Ken Buck.
Fox News, another arm of the Murdoch media empire, had alreadyĀ taken aimĀ at the Georgia Republican last week, with columnist Liz PeekĀ callingĀ her an āidiotā and saying she needs to āturn all that bombastic self-serving showmanship and drama queen energy on Democrats.ā This follows an editorial last month from The Wall Street Journal, also in the Murdoch portfolio, that called Greene āRep. Mayhem Taylor Greeneā and accused her and her allies of being āmost interested in TV hits and internet donors.ā
Even a non-Murdoch outlet is on the attack, as conservative Las Vegas Review-Journal columnist Debra SaundersĀ demandedĀ to know āwho put Marjorie Taylor Greene in charge?ā
Iām not downplaying what weāre giving Ukraine; I was taking objection to the idea that the US barely has enough munitions to defend itself from a nebulous enemy and we need to be careful about how much we give out.
Yup, my service was decades ago.
https://www.voanews.com/amp/without-more-funds-us-unable-to-hit-ammunition-production-goals/7510881.html
Right now we are making 28k a month. Ukraine shoots 7k a day. Thatās 210,000 a month.
Thatās the issue. Itās one I didnāt know we had. I always assumed we could ramp up quickly since thatās a standard round.
Itās the āwithout more fundsā part thatās misdirection. I still do assume that we could ramp up, quite quickly. These are private companies producing the munitions; if the gvmnt suddenly doubled the contract funding, I would be greatly surprised if we discovered production couldnāt keep up.
Most the plants are not privately owned. They are government owned and contractors work in them.
Most of these plants were shutdown as a cost savings measure. Thatās been the issue
https://thegunzone.com/who-manufactures-ammunition-for-the-us-military/
https://www.gd-ots.com/munitions/artillery/
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/naval-launchers-and-munitions.html (just to include one of the other branches)
I could find more, if you like. All claim to be the manufacturers of ordinance. Itās not just the ammunition, the guns themselves are manufactured by private corporations. The M777 Howitzer is produced by BAE Systems. Itās always a private contractor who designs and delivers weapons and ordinance.
Yes the guns are but that isnāt where we have the shortage. The shortage is the ammunition. A gun isnāt useful without ammo.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/business/2023/10/17/middletown-iowa-ammunition-plant-will-make-more-of-the-artillery-shells-ukraine-is-firing-at-russia/71134562007/
There is another in Pennsylvania. Both are owned by the army and contractors make the ammo.
Same with lake city but they make rifle rounds.
If you can find where private companies are making 155mm in their own facilities Iād like to see it. Iāve only found it made in army arsenals.
OK, letās ignore small arms and focus on things a civilian simply canāt buy, like howitzers and tanks.
The actual munitions - not the weapons, but the ammunition - are manufactured by a variety of companies, including Aerojet Rocketdyne and Nammo. Nammo makes a bunch of ammunition, from small arms, to cannon ammo for the M1 to 155mm Archer L52 howitzers. AR also produces ammunition for the A10ās GAU, and a bunch of other munitions and munition parts for more complex munitions (missiles & bombs). Both of these companies make TOW missiles - again, the munitions, not the weapon systems.
Lockheed Martin makes the actual Patriot missiles - that article incidentally talking about the very ramping-up weāre discussing.
The US outsources all weapons and ammo manufacture to the private sector. This is exactly why itās called the Military Industrial Complex, and why Eisenhower warned against it.
Those are the contractors. The government owns the facilities at least for 155mm. Can you show which factory makes the 155mm round? You seem to be confusing the contractor with the factory. Two two are not the same.
Missiles may be done differently; I have not found an article talking in detail about who owns what with the production of The Patriot.
As I cited previously, we are ramping up, but not quickly enough to meet their needs. Ukraine needs about 210,000 155mm rounds a month. We are generating about 28K a month.
That goes against all the news article. We canāt keep up with the demand from Ukraine unless we deplete our stockpiles. If China acted up, Iran or if we needed to fight Russia we wouldnāt have the supply to do it.