The monotheistic all powerful one.

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    9 months ago

    This stuff is not philosophy of religion 101, though it might be one seminary professor’s lesson notes in systematic theology for christianity. Specific religions will typically have mental gymnastics or say things like, “It’s just too complicated to understand with our limited capacity as mortals.”

    Given a being exists outside of this reality, the laws of this reality do not apply to it. And given a being created this reality, that being can do whatever it wants, regardless of this reality and it’s laws. So the paradox still stands.

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      9 months ago

      Given a being exists outside of this reality, the laws of this reality do not apply to it.

      When we assume a contradiction is true (e.g., God is immutable and God is not immutable: P ^ -P), then we can derive any proposition and it’s negation from that contradiction.

      1. P ∧ -P
      2. P     (1)
      3. -P     (1)
      4. P ∨ X     (2)
      5. X     (3, 4)
      6. P ∨ -X     (2)
      7. -X     (3, 6)

      If God can make a contradiction true, then every other proposition whatsoever can be proven true and false at the same time. We can infer the following: 1) All questions about God are useless because God is now beyond reason/logic and 2) Reason itself would lose all applicability as logic, necessity, mathematics, etc. can no longer be taken for granted. These seem like untenable consequences. We have, however, an alternate conception of God’s omnipotence that doesn’t force us to abandon reason/logic.

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        9 months ago

        So, what you’re saying is, if it doesn’t fit our logic, we have to make up a logic so it fits our logic?

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          There are different logics that account for temporality, modality (e.g., necessity), degrees of true, etc. But I doubt there’s any logic we could construct that can account for the inconceivable and the impossible being possible. Human reason throws up its hands and sits in the corner.