Norma Anderson, a trailblazing former GOP legislator, is among the Colorado voters who have challenged the Republican front-runnerās candidacy in a case that will be heard by the Supreme Court
Norma Anderson, a trailblazing former GOP legislator, is among the Colorado voters who have challenged the Republican front-runnerās candidacy in a case that will be heard by the Supreme Court
What about those of us who dislike both parties, but agree with select things from each?
Like being moderate, center, mild, or a republicrat?
Thereās no party that represents me. Only two groups of people whose ideas I mostly dislike, or that lack the compromise I feel would be necessary to do good.
I still donāt think every Republican is evil, same for liberals, or progressive, or Democrats.
If everyone but your group is evil, youāll never get anywhere until you kill all the others. Sounds like Nazis to me?
What Republican things do you agree with?
The election was a fraud?
Corporations are people?
Climate change is a myth?
Women are lesser than men?
Slavery had benefits?
The rich deserve tax cuts?
Trans people need to be oppressed as do other LGBT+ people?
Foreigners are bad, especially the brown ones?
Private healthcare is the best form of healthcare?
The poor deserve to be?
Police are always to be respected no matter what (unless itās January 6th)?
Russia is a good ally?
The elderly donāt need a break?
Hunter Bidenās existence is proof that Joe Biden needs to be impeached?
We cannot allow the Democrats to give us what we want in an election year?
Seriously, what?
Iāll play.
Ha, right. Probably not. Didnāt seem like any real evidence showed up. I compare this to the assertion that the U.S. government hid aliens from the world for the last ~70 years. That would be the only thing it ever did that well. So Iām in doubt the āconspiracyā could even pull that off. In my opinion, those die hard trumper nuts are not representative of the majority of that whole party, but I canāt point to data, just my experience with other people near me.
If they are, theyāre the greedy fat cat kind of people I donāt like. I donāt know anyone in the top tier of society like that. I would like to see legal protections from executives and corporations reduced, and more personal liability of corporate leaders. Iām not really sure if thatās counter to their entire parties views. If corporate abuses could be better broken down and displayed for people, maybe more rightish people would center on the topic?
I only know people who disagree with the degree of how bad things are, I donāt know any out right deniers. Again, I donāt have a feel for an entire nationwide collection of people on that one.
How and why? Iāve never heard anyone actually put this into practice or policy. If youāre blending with this abortion rights, then you have people who disagree on two different principles ( a personās choice vs peopleās believe in human life). I donāt believe in taking away peopleās rights, but I also donāt like killing babies (insert giant argument about when is a person a person, blah). If I canāt have my God given right to drive drunk because itās dangerous for other people, then I also donāt like abortion unless thereās more reasons. This is way too complicated of a topic for a text conversation, but I think itās a main one for people thinking women donāt get the right to make medical decisions about themselves. What else is there?
Again, who and why? Iāve never heard anyone actually say this. I donāt think the vast majority of rightish people would ever think that. Iāve never met any.
I wouldnāt frame it like that. Excluding the mega wealthy and whatever that might mean to some, I get the impression most people just donāt want to be overly taxed. Again, thatās subjective, but highest tax bracket is 37% I think. Thatās a lot in my opinion. āBut they have so much money, it wonāt affect their livesā. Yep, I agree. I just donāt think people want to be picked on if they feel they earned it. Did they, I donāt know, maybe?
Iād be curious how many right voters earn more than 100K, because I donāt think they would say they want tax cuts for ārichā people. I donāt have data on this. Iām curious.
Yeah, that oneās tough. Most of the conservative people Iāve heard in real life (not the villains on TV) range from indifferent to disapproving. They donāt understand why all the noise and want people to be quiet and go away. One personās freedom fighter is anotherās terrorist on this one. I wouldnāt support policies that limit medical care, ownership, etc based on relationship status. I very much believe most conversative or rightish people that have harsh opinions of the trans issue have never met or had a real relationship with someone who struggled with identify, medal health, etc.
Ultimately, I might agree on this one that thereās probably a large portion of people who identify as some kind of right donāt have a lot of compassion for the letter communities.
That sounds like trump and bigots. Not sure about the whole. I can suggest a few ways to break that up though. Thereās a serious issue with immigration policy/system. Whether itās easy or hard is about the constraints we (government) put on it. I think rightish people want less imitation, sure. I am law and order supportive though. The border thing for some people is way more about groups of people intentionally not enforcing laws, picking an choosing. No one likes that, unless it suites them of course. It doesnāt suite the right in this case, so they donāt like it. I donāt like it. I support immigration though. My great grandparentsā¦etc. We need politicians elected that will compromise and change the legislation. I believe we also need border security, but itās not because I dislike ābrownā people.
If brown means middle-eastern, yeah, thereās some phobia there. After a few extremist things, people gonna hate, rational or not. Not rational. I wonder how opinions of middle easterner goes across all the political aspects.
Says people who have it. Iād like to see data on how many people per political party have health insurance. Iād guess people who never went without health care canāt imagine/relate.
I feel like right party people more align with open/free market ideas and believe thatās true.
Close, but no. I think thatās flipping it again. Iām guessing thereās a lower percentage of unemployed people claiming the right, based on 3 seconds of an LLM search. I assume people whoāve worked most of their lives and didnāt struggle with some kind of mental health issues or other complicating factors that kept from them decent employment donāt have compassion for people who have. They probably assume if you arenāt working and earning a living, youāre maybe lazy or made poor choices. I can see how youād say that means they think poor people deserve it. Iām guessing they think everyone has a fair chance to succeed and just arenāt. Thatās not the same as wanting people to stay gutter trash.
How many people stored the capital? Iāve seen numbers on sites ranging from 20K to 120K. I donāt know how many of them committed violence against law enforcement. one figure said there were 38 million registered republicans. I have no idea if thatās even close, doesnāt really matter if you compare that against 120K. I donāt think the vast majority of republicans would have participated or condoned that. Those people in my opinion were extremists and trump worshipers. Cult people do crazy things. Thatās not the entire political party in my opinion.
Is that the whole party or Trump?
Theyāve already gotten a break, like that hip. This seems overly generalized. Be more specific.
Same as the Dem party went after all of trumps associates. In both cases, I think theyāre (the people targeted by an opposing political party) shady at best, and corrupt mega criminals that should all be in prison at worst (best). Iād say that about a lots of politicians on both sides though. The republicans had a grand ol time trying to impeach Clinton. The Dems tried to Impeach Trump. Should yhey both have been impeached? Probably? Was it a huge political special and witch hunt, oh yeah. Both embarrassing for the nation and indicative of electing morally bankrupt or hypocrites, probably.
Iām not sure what this means.
Personally, I think a huge portion of the problem is a lack of choice. This two party system is broken. Insert huge discussion about that here, and move on. So I think that leaves a huge portion of people in the middle, trying to chose between two groups of people who seems to have the loudest and most extreme members fighting for the most leadership in the group.
I fact that trump is becoming the leading right extremist blows my mind, and I think itās the movie ideocracy, but in real life. Maybe the other candidates were shitty, but come on. Ultimately, I donāt know how many true trumpers there are, versus people who would vote for someone else. I guess if he wins the primary, then points/half?
Maybe the other more sane half would go with a viable third or fourth group?
Maybe outlaw groups/parties and just have candidates?
āBelieving that all those who oppose us are inherently evil leads to a deadlock since you canāt compromise with evil. It is only through understanding, compromise, and mutual respect that we can move forward and get things done.ā - an LLM
For the downvoters, maybe time the time to write something instead of just doing a drive by. Say why you disagree since this is not a low effort comment.
Sure sounds to me like you either donāt agree with their platform or donāt understand the points on it.
So why do you vote for them?
I donāt, not all of them. Unlike some, I donāt push a D/R button. I cherry pick. If both candidates suck, I pass. Does it help or matter, no. My state votes red.
I wonāt personally push the button for someone I think is a piece of crap.
But, the point I was making is thereās a range of politicians in these parties. Some chose a party affiliation out of necessity and funding, others are extremely polarized. I think thereās both participants on both sides.
I think people vote for one of these two groups again out of a lack of choice.
I donāt think all people who claim Republican are Nazis, fascists, etc. especially when you compare thatās to historical instances of the past.
I also donāt think all Democrats are communists, extremists etc, same.
I find most people want the same things, love, safety, material shit, etc. they differ widely on their greed levels, placing blame for their own problems or other peopleās issues, etc.
You are really bad at answering questions.
You didnāt explain why you voted for them.
Every time I ask you a question, you either ask me one back or act like I never asked you. But you donāt answer mine.
above: https://infosec.pub/comment/6313165
You didnāt answer some of my questions asking for more clarification on some of those issues. Iām curious.
Most of that I have to Google/lookup. Im around a ton of highly conservative or Republican claiming people, but I donāt hear some of what youāre talking about.
I also donāt spend any time with actual politicians to know what they believe versus when they fall in line with party bs.
I wonder what removing funding from the political system would achieve. No more superpacs?
I didnāt answer your questions because you didnāt tell me which of those you agreed with. Iām still waiting to know.
If I vote any republican stuffs, it usually because of these big or little issues:
In some of these cases, I barely lean republican aligned. Or, I just disagree more with the Democratic parties view point/solution. Thatās why I donāt have party affiliations. Me and trump arenāt the same. I canāt vote for any US presidential candidates this time, because I think theyāre both wrong. I have an extremely negative view of trump, Iāll spare everyone. I donāt want Biden either. I have lots of reasons for both of those I donāt think people care about.
Neither party is against higher defense spending. Not a reason to vote Republican.
Itās already illegal. How much more conservative can you get? If this is a reason to vote Republican, you must want to arrest women who have miscarriages just in case. Generally not a reason to vote Republican anymore.
Republicans donāt. They just killed their own border bill. Not a reason to vote Republican.
I notice you didnāt say what policy that was. So Iām going to have to assume itās āaid Russia and Israel as much as possibleā since thatās their current foreign policy. Probably not a good reason to vote Republican.
You mean the thing youāve already had to do my entire 20+ years of voting in the U.S.? Not a reason to vote Republican.
Republicans want zero controls. Zero. Not a reason to vote Republican.
They havenāt flipped on it so far. Not a reason to vote Republican.
Please give an example and then explain what Republicans have done about it.
As far as I can tell, you have not given a single good reason to vote Republican.
So Iām still going with āpeople who vote Republican support fascismā and I also notice you have no critique of their LGBT+ bigotry, which also makes me think the āsupport fascismā thing applies.
Thatās a terrible assumption of my stance on abortion. Keeping this super easy, I just donāt like it. One party is against it, one is for it.
Yeah, in this election, terrible political moves for party shenanigans over the general good. But surprise. Generally, the two parties wonāt compromise and fix immigration, so one tries to bypass the issue by not preventing crossing. The other tries to avoid fixing it by putting up a fence. The lesser of two evils for me until the policy gets fixed is a fence. Sorry. Like I said, I want immigration fixed, but until thenā¦
I assume you mean Ukraine? I want Ukraine supported, Rs did that until they got pissed about all the money/long. Not sure about Israel/Pal. Long term bad stuff over there I donāt fully understand. I donāt support mass killings of people in the streets, bombings, rockets, bulldozing peopleās houses, etc. That statement says I donāt support either group since theyāve both been doing those things from what I can tell. Eachās reasons why gets at the root causes, much bigger discussion.
Thereās more to it than those two recent conflict.
Well, thatās why I disagree with any political initiative to frame that as discrimination. Itās not. Otherwise, driving, buying alcohol, renting cars, etc is also all discrimination because you have to have a driverās license. Some localities have worked to allow non-residents to vote. Doesnāt make sense to me.
Disagree. I think you missed the part about I disagree with eliminating guns as the main initiative. I would be more sided with the D party on guns if they would stop talking about banning assault riffles as one of the main fixes.
Reason for you I guess. So far, you havenāt given me any reason to think that every person who votes for that party is a fascist, hates women, hates poor people, etc.
Looking forward to you continuing to avoid every question I ask you while youāre at work too.
Calm down mr sarcasm. Iām using some break time just for this.