Maryland House Democrats introduced a controversial gun safety bill requiring gun owners to forfeit their ability to wear or carry without firearm liability insurance.
Introduced by Del. Terri Hill, D-Howard County, the legislation would prohibit the āwear or carryā of a gun anywhere in the state unless the individual has obtained a liability insurance policy of at least $300,000.
"A person may not wear or carry a firearm unless the person has obtained and it covered by liability insurance issued by an insurer authorized to do business in the State under the Insurance Article to cover claims for property damage, bodily injury, or death arising from an accident resulting from the personās use or storage of a firearm or up to $300,000 for damages arising from the same incident, in addition to interest and costs,ā the proposed Maryland legislation reads.
Sir, that is unlicensed speech. Youāll need to take 16 hours of a $400 class and pay a $200 fee for a license to speak that way.
It should be a required safety test like with driverās licenses, a reasonable compromise that you can also add immediate failure states to and doesnāt add an undue time and cost burden to people who arenāt dumbasses, unlike a class.
Get a child safety question wrong?
Fail.
Say you have the right to shoot a fleeing burglar in the back?
Also fail.
you donāt have the right to shoot a burglar in the front. loss of property isnāt an excusable reason to shoot someone. fear of bodily harm or death for you or someone else is.
Varies greatly depending on what state you live in. Texas, being the worst state for almost everything, doesnāt even require it to be your property. You can, in fact, defend your neighbors property with deadly force. You can also shoot them in the back if itās nighttime.
TIL
Jeez, it sure would be awkward for your argument if a home invasion carried an inherent threat, which is why most robberies occur when no one is home to be threatened.
jeez it sure would be awkward if your argument made any sense. let me put it in caps for you. INHERENT THREAT.
Itās okay to not know what words mean, youāll figure out how to use a dictionary when you get out of middle school.
But after that you can use that speech to kill a room full of children or a fleeing partner right?
Iām just going to come out and say it: Fuck your gun ārightsā. I absolutely support it being taken away from you. Itās just as immoral as the right to own slaves was.
Youāre hiding behind the word ārightā because you know the only way to defend permissive gun laws is pretending that domestic abusers having poorly secured AR-15s is up there with ābodily autonomyā or āfreedom of beliefsā.
Would you be playing your little āonly bad guys take away rightsā games if people had the ārightā to help themselves to your daughters body? To kill you on a whim because of your skin color?
After all, anything you call a ārightā is inherently good and ethical and to be preserved at all costs.
Oh shit they made school shootings legal if you have a permit? Missed that update.
Your rights end where anotherās begin, you are not entitled to anotherās body or life, you are however entitled to the tools with which to defend yourself if someone does try to violate your rights to your body or life. In your scenario, or should I say ācurrently,ā I actually have the right to shoot the rapist or racist murderer.
They may as well given the disgustingly low bar you set for gun owners.
The laws the pro-gun community holds up as ideal couldnāt prevent the sale of a gun to a teenager with the nickname āschool shooterā and a history of animal abuse, death and rape threats, days before he did a school shooting.
If youāre going to staunchly oppose gun control, why not just come out and say that you support selling semi-automatic weapons to far-right extremists, deeply disturbed men in the throes of psychosis, people who hit their partners and people who canāt secure their firearms from children?
I think you mean that other peopleās rights end where yours begin.
After all, you have no problem bankrolling the gun-lobby who in turn fund the Republicans that openly campaign on a platform of taking away the rights of women and minorities.
Does a child have a right to safety and education? Only at the discretion of whatever insane fuckstick youāve armed today because your guns are more important that someone elseās children.
And those rapists and murderers have the right to own guns because you insisted on it. Should we look at their statistics to see how that works out for everyone?
Oh what a shocking plot twist, it works out great for your as you sit there delivering on fuck all of your promises and it works out great for the rapists and racists.
Your right come at the expense of others and youāre not even good at hiding it.
Translation: āI donāt know a damn thing about how to buy a gun in the US and Iām probably british.ā
If youāre having difficulty parsing the statement it means that you donāt have the right to deprive another of their rights. I know it can be confusing for people like you who donāt like rights, so I understand.
Well find me a gun company that ā¦isnāt a gun company? I guess? What are your standards here lmao? Gotta buy them from the people who sell em, you ever buy weed in the US pre-'10? If yes, you feel bad about supporting the Sinaloa Cartel Lobby? Know what? I blame you, they wouldnāt have to lobby if people werenāt always trying to ban them.
Yes.
Well, not if they are a prohibited purchaser. And Iād rather their victims be able to have them too than just get raped and murdered at knifepoint instead. āYou can run from knife,ā ahh shaddup you better be fast then with that ableist take, and donāt try to pretend you werenāt about to type that shit either yāall are too predictable.
Yes. According to John Lott, Gary Kleck, and the CDC, the estimate for defensive gun use in the 90s was somewhere between 500,000 and 3,000,000 times per year. The study in question was survey based, and included ādefensive display,ā which is a defense in which simply making the attacker aware of the presence of a firearm is enough to scare them off. Due to this, and the wide gap between the high/low end, the veracity of this study has been debated. However, according to a recent Harvard study done to discredit that āmyth of the good guy with a gun,ā they say a āmore realistic estimateā of defensive gun use which does NOT include defensive display and is based solely off verifiable police reports is 100,000 per year.
Well, that takes care of the DGU, what about the deaths? Surely more than 100k/yr! Letās see here, our murder rate yearly according to the FBI is about 15,000/yr.ā¦ Holā up, 15,000 homicides/yr? Shit, that is MUCH less than 100,000 dgu/yr. Well alright alright I know whatāll get those self defenders! The total gun death rate including homicides, suicides, and accidents! Surely thereās 1,000,000/yr! In 2021, there were a total of 48,830 firearm deaths. Hmm well shit. Turns out that doesnāt do it either, since 48,830<100,000. Damn, I guess guns are used in defense more than deaths. Whoāda thunk it?
Iāll twist your twister with the 100,000 people it DID work out great for every year, thatās 51,170 more twists! Get twisted on, go twist yourself.
Your Mama comes at the expense of others, and it isnāt even that expensive.
Oh no! Does the poor little soldier of the resistance need to fill out a form? Do they have to wait a few days? Maybe the poor little snowflakes have to arrange a private sale to dodge a background check?
But sure, we can play this game. Name a state whose gun laws you fully support and weāll go through them together.
Iām sure that would have been a sick burn if it didnāt rely on misunderstanding non-literal language.
Are your donations to the Republican party still tax deductable after theyāve been filtered through a proxy?
Nope, just the best in class tools you need to do one, no matter how many red flags you wave around, all thanks to the pro-gun community.
But donāt worry, they make up for it by intervening in almost 3% of mass shooters. Thatās almost as many as unarmed civilians!
Of course over 80% of those mass shooters are legal gun owners, with most of the remaining 20% being children of āresponsible gun ownersā.
Unless their state doesnāt have universal background checks ā a system the pro-gun community opposes. Then theyāve just got to organise a private sale and complete the transaction without saying āBy the way Iām a rapistā.
But itās not like itās a barrier anyway. Making guns trivial to purchase also makes it trivial to straw purchase guns too.
Yet weāre still havenāt covered all the ways the pro-gun community arms murderers and rapists because guess where stolen weapons come from?
Thatās right, legal gun owners again! The ones with zero obligation to properly secure their firearms, who leave them sitting in gloveboxes and drawers in case they need to murder a minority real quick.
Oh how kind of you to decide what weapons people should be threatened with while theyāre raped.
But arenāt you forgetting something? Those victims can just carry knives too and everything is fair and just again right? Or does your shit tier logic suddenly not apply when weāre not talking about your toys?
You tried so hard to dress it up as āActually Iām a hero to people with disabilities tooā but you just made it obvious that deep down, you know knive crimes have a lower lethality and a higher chance of being interrupted.
But itās not you being raped and murdered, so who cares right? Youāve already made it clear you think youāre doing them a favor by selling their attackers guns.
You could have just not said anything rather than admitting that gun owners canāt be trusted to accurately self-report DGUs.
Oh honey, youāre not even comparing the right things. Did you really think it was going to be āDGUs is bigger than gun murders therefore Iām rightā?
Youāre comparing alternative realities ā and youāre not even comparing them well. For a start, whereās your number for how many offensive gun uses there are?
For every limp dick waving a gun around claiming self defense, there could be 100 abusive partners telling their sweethearts āif you try to leave Iāll kill youā.
But donāt worry, we can compare this reality by seeing how America ā where hundreds of thousands of brave patriots use their cool guns to fend off rapists and murderers ā to the rest of the world.
And oh look, the crime rate is functionally identical, only youāre more likely to be killed during a property crime thanks to all the criminals the pro-gun crowd armed.
Oh but those people are probably british right? They donāt count. We need to stick to AMERICAN numbers because nobody knows gunning down innocent people like AMERICA does (for some mysterious reason).
But when gun sales go up, crime rates go down right? If guns prevent more crime than they enable, that should be clearly reflected. āGuns soldā number goes up, ānumber of crimesā goes down.
Nope. No measurable difference at all with some mass shootings sprinkled on top. Just another pro-gun lie in a string of thousands.
You know people that arenāt fucked-in-the-head gun cultists donāt consider āI had to threaten or kill another person with a gunā to be āworking out greatā right?
You genuinely probably donāt. Iāve seen the āget out of murder freeā fantasies all over pro-gun forums. Whatās yours? Iām guessing āsaving a woman thatās out of your league from a Trump voterā.
Go mom! 85, still getting hers and making bank from it too!
Did you find her when you were looking for people willing to fuck you for money? Did you start at the great grandmothers or did everyone else turn you down?
Just donāt do a mass shooting okay? Sexually frustrated gun owners murdering women has become such a cliche.
you know, I gotta say, this is the worst formatted comment that Iāve come across on this whole website, I think, and I say that as someone with a great history of writing meandering and poorly formatted comments. going line by line through someone elseās argument is extremely tedious and so is spacing out almost every single line of your argument. the thickest it ever gets is two lines at a time. christ.
If I was going to complain about readability, I probably wouldnāt have opted for all lowercase.
they have a point. your style is tedious.
Yes, atf form 4473 which coincides with an FBI background check to verify the info. See, you said:
Well, turns out, that if youāre under 18 or have a history of felony animal abuse, you canāt pass that! āThreats of death and rapeā seems to be more of a āI donāt feel like dealing with thisā scenario from the cops, fix that, not being able to protect yourself.
Oh I understood Iām just making fun of you for your not at all thought out takes.
āThe democrats donāt support gun rights at all so to buy them you typically buy them from right wingersā then start some left wing gun companies and advertise, Iād love to buy a gun from an employee owned business, problem is one would have to āexist.ā You should start one.
Ah so by your logic since I can rent a uhaul and fill it up with fertilizer car bombs are legal, huh? Not even a NICs check!
Wrong again cheesedick, private sale to a prohibited purchaser is also illegal.
Thatās right, legal gun owners again! The ones with zero obligation to properly secure their firearms, who leave them sitting in gloveboxes and drawers in case they need to murder a minority real quick.
Oh word weāre back to victim blaming?
I agree.
Sure, assuming theyāre stronger, faster, and/or better trained in knife fighting than the assailant, and the assailant doesnāt have a gun (legal OR illegal).
Well, frankly either way, they can try to knife fight the guy now stronger or not, it just may not play out well for them. Actually this (people carrying knives for defense) happens a lot, Iād wager much more than the ~25% of civilians that are CCW holders.
See, hereās one.
Toys like butterfly knives and all that silly shit? Get you a real tool, a glock. But anyway yes sorry to say that while the option is available, the physical properties of a distance tool like a firearm and a short range melee weapon are indeed different, and it will affect the outcome. You seem to have a hard time grasping āphysical reality,ā are you ok?
Not by anyone with a physical disability, better hope their able bodied handler is around to James Bond the knife away from the attacker.
Hey thatās my line, youāre the one trying to disarm women.
Cute! You donāt know that methodology is always questioned, and you think having people doubt it automatically means it isnāt true! Guess with all the flat earthers the world isnāt actually round, and since people doubted the covid vaccines you must also be an antivaxxer.
Couldnāt find it but you must have it, yes?
Holā up, youāre the one who said other countries have no crime, thanks for refuting yourself.
Hmm interesting, almost like the proliferation of arms has less to do with crime than you purport.
Well seeing as how firearms can only legally be used to prevent death or grievous bodily injury, the other option is ādeath or grievous bodily injury.ā Out of the two I pick āshoot the other guy,ā myself, but youāre free to accept death as you wish.
Hopefully never having to use it, but if I do, my āfantasyā is making it home at the end of the day in tact and alive, if a little shook up from my experience. Seeing as firearms are only to be used to prevent death or grievous bodily injury, the other option is āthat.ā
Eehhh idk about bankā¦
Nah she offered, seemed like she really wanted that nickel and I felt bad for her. Was just gonna give it to her but she insisted, you know grandmas. Sent me out with a plate of food too, nice lady.
Duh, whatāre you some kinda idiot? Although, you did mention 3 or 4 times that itās legal now but I donāt have the permit.
Not me
Me
I donāt want to hear about what you and your knives do for fun.
this is also terribly formatted holy shit the brainrot is contagious
Iām literally just trolling this idiot this isnāt being graded. Speaking of formatting however sentences begin with a capital letter and end with punctuation. Yours should say:
OH when you said āthisā you meant your comment, I see.
Okay, so weāre in agreement that you think filling out a form is hard. Donāt worry though, the pro-gun community has got your back and that form isnāt needed for private sales.
Weāre really starting to find some common ground now with you acknowledging that the current laws and proceedures arenāt working.
Unfortunately, you seem confused about whose problem it is again. These are the laws youāre defending, conspicuously failing and resulting in the deaths of children.
If you want me to implement laws I support, Iām happy to do that, but youāre not going to like them. On the bright side, if they habitually fail and arm terrorists, abusers and criminals, then you can demand I fix the laws.
And I will, because my laws donāt rely on people having an acceptable amount of innocent people murdered because of proceedural mistakes or poor coverage.
Canāt you offer any solutions except āyou should fix this my problems for meā. Why am I supposed to work to fix your laws? Why am I supposed to run the gun company you want? Arenāt gun owners meant to be all fiercely independent? All Iām seeing here is the learned helplessness of a spoiled child.
You will absolutely get a visit from their FBI if you start buying the materials needed to fill a truck with explosives. Thankfully, we donāt let dumb motherfuckers write and enforce those laws.
Donāt know if youāre being stupid or dishonest but itās only illegal if you know for a fact that theyāre a prohibited person.
āBackā to the point you never made? Theyād have to be the victim for it to be victim blaming.
Remember, Iām not advocating āpeople should be charged with a crime when their responsibly stored firearms are stolenā, Iām advocating that people should be charged with a crime when their negligently stored firearms are accessed by a prohibited person.
A policy that āresponsible gun ownersā oppose of course. For some reason itās important to them that being responsible is optional and being irresponsible isnāt punished.
Itās like having a group of people who constantly say āI would never drive if I was drunk and I donāt think anybody shouldā but then fiercely oppose DUI laws, despite reading daily headlines about how another of their members killed 2 people in a crash when they were drunk.
Not going to bother engaging on that one. You already said something so self-absorbed and fucked in the head that thereās nothing I could say to make you look worse.
In fact, Iām just going to wrap up the comment here and not bother replying again.
I was looking forward to making fun of you for trying to insult my mother by saying you pay old ladies for sex but really, nobody with a mind worth changing is reading this far.
Well, lying on that form while showing ID and fooling the FBIās instant background check is hard, yes. I like how you consistently ignore the literal FBI saying āyeah heās clearā and continue to push āitās just paper bro.ā Itās cute, really, youāre the only one who believes yourself.
Well give people access to NICs then. Btw itās illegal to sell to a prohibited possessor, so you better be careful selling to strangers, PS is supposed to be between people you know fairly well and if you sell to a stranger with a felony record you get punished as well. Most people selling to strangers only will if they show a CCW permit, even for rifles, because to get those permits you have to pass a NICs check as well so it works as a proxy.
But by all means keep pretending. Hey quick question, you ever even been to the US?
I can agree with you there, procedures* btw, but it isnāt the gun laws I want changed, I want better enforcement of other laws that would preclude one from firearms ownership. For instance Parkland, Broward Co had received upwards of 44 calls about Cruz before the shooting, many of which could have given him enough of a record to be denied in NICs, but they didnāt do their fucking job. There was also a church shooting in Texas where an ex Air Force guy who had been Dishonorably Discharged (which bans them from guns) hadnāt had the DD inputted into NICs and he was able to get it, the Air Force should have done their job and reported it to NICs. Thankfully a guy across the street heard the shots and ran over with his rifle to kill the shooter. Furthermore I think the best way to address our gun violence is addressing the underlying issues. Itās harder, but the payoff is greater, and weāll have to fix them anyway e>!!<ventually because gun violence isnāt the only problem created by things like wealth inequality.
LOL no, youāre the one crying about how buying guns is buying from right wingers, the problem is yours. Iām chillin lol. My suggestion that āyou should open up DemGunWorldĀ®ā¢ā is what we refer to in the business as āflippant.ā
I couldnāt find if anyone does track it but they have proposed tracking it in 2011:
āAs itās proposed, the āAmmonium Nitrate Security Programā would require those who purchase, sell or transfer at least 25 pounds of the chemical in the U.S. to register with the government so that they may be screened against U.S. terror watch lists,ā
So even if they do track it, buy 20lbs, wait a while, buy 20lbs, wait a whileā¦
Looks like that may have died though, latest I can find is from 2011 proposing it, I think nobody does. Would have been DHS btw not FBI.
ā¦so you ARE stupid? It is literally the same people who write and inforce gun laws. You think we have a special āgun law onlyā congress and police forces/agencies? And as Iāve said Iām pretty sure that proposed regulation never went anywhere.
Have reasonable suspicion, not know. But thatās a risk you can take for yourself, people have been charged. I for one am not stupid enough to take it. May work out fine, may get a prison tour and your rights to guns and voting stripped, the trade off for āmaking $500ā isnāt worth it.
See heres the issue with that, you likely think that a safe is the only way to store them āsafelyā enough for you, but as the laws are set up that isnāt always possible (say a carrier leaving it in the car at the bank), it is still behind a locked door however, and for me having someone invade your locked house or car to get your gun is enough to put the onus on the intruder rather than the victim of theft. Take me for example, I live alone and when Iām not home the gun comes with me, do I need a safe to stop my cats from commiting a mass shooting? Unlikely. Could someone break in? Yes, but it isnāt there unless I am too, and again I say if they kick in a door the onus is on them, rather than me, the victim of this violent crime.
Negligent discharges, especially causing injury or death but also in general, are punished. Of course, if a gun negligently discharges in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, yeah the guy probably doesnāt snitch on himself, sure. Of course, if you drove with a BAC of 0.08 and made it home fine you wouldnāt call the cops and snitch on yourself either.
HALLELUJIA! There is a god! I didnāt think you had the ability to realize you were wrong!
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