I’ll get hate here (this instance/community) but I don’t give a fuck.
There’s more than one way to skin a cat. I don’t care if it’s welfare capitalism, UBI, socialism or fucking whatever. SOMEONE needs to do SOMETHING to give people that work less profitable/high class/whatever jobs a decent humane life.
Everyone’s work is important, otherwise it wouldn’t be done. And they deserve to live a decent life.
Does that mean they go on intercontiental holidays to 5 star hotels? No. Does that mean they can afford food, heat, shelter and the ability to start a family? Yes.
Norway only has great social welfare programs because it sells so much oil from the North Sea. We’re subsidizing their better lives and EV greenwashing with CO2.
communities based on specific ideologies don’t tend to accept other ways of solutioning… sometimes.
EDIT : also, my approach/suggestion is “capitalism not so bad” which isn’t in line with the zoomer way of seeing things, and they’re right for it, but not right in solving the problems they have.
also, my approach/suggestion is “capitalism not so bad”
i dont think this is that controversial either. it can be comfortable/have reins, like the meme exemplifies with north european countries.
my problem is that it depends entirely on the generosity of the burgeoise, and inevitably goes runaway and soon we have to bomb other countries/enslave people to keep the rich getting richer. infinite growth and stuff is hard to sustain.
Does that mean they go on intercontiental holidays to 5 star hotels? No. Does that mean they can afford food, heat, shelter and the ability to start a family? Yes.
Going on intercontinental holidays to 5 star hotels off profits from low wages is how socialism for the rich works. The rich then use this fact to say socialism is bad. I’ve seen kittens do less to a ball of yarn in a fit of rage than the Plutocrats have done with people’s minds with their propaganda.
I don’t care if it’s welfare capitalism, UBI, socialism or fucking whatever.
Shouldn’t you? I mean this is pretty basic fucking knowledge for some of the ways to go about it, and they are quite different. And it’s also not like you have to go 100% all in one of them either. Seems like what you want, is also the core ideology of social democracy with a strong welfare system. Here’s a thought: maybe that’s what you want, and you should care? I’m guessing that you live in a country so completely fucked in all available directions of politics, and in that process forgot what workers rights were 50 years ago.
I live in Norway. People in otherwise underpaid professions such as teaching can afford to go on intercontinental holidays. Even more than once a year, if that’s what they want to do. Though I will agree that staying at a 5 star hotel would be a silly expense. That stuff still requires the perks of exploitative capitalism, for which teaching is too useful.
Apologies if I’m being a bit rude. But the “I don’t want to care about how stuff is and works, but how stuff is and works shouldn’t be the way it is!” anti-intellectual attitude is annoying af.
I’ll get hate here (this instance/community) but I don’t give a fuck.
There’s more than one way to skin a cat. I don’t care if it’s welfare capitalism, UBI, socialism or fucking whatever. SOMEONE needs to do SOMETHING to give people that work less profitable/high class/whatever jobs a decent humane life.
Everyone’s work is important, otherwise it wouldn’t be done. And they deserve to live a decent life.
Does that mean they go on intercontiental holidays to 5 star hotels? No. Does that mean they can afford food, heat, shelter and the ability to start a family? Yes.
Wait. Why would that get hate here?
Pretty sure it’s just a way to bait more upvotes.
Upvotes serve the same purpose as the Facebook Like button 👍
It definitely wouldn’t.
How about this then:
Norway only has great social welfare programs because it sells so much oil from the North Sea. We’re subsidizing their better lives and EV greenwashing with CO2.
How about no. Sweden has no oil and is doing almost as good.
I don’t want to get any hate here but I think trump sucks.
communities based on specific ideologies don’t tend to accept other ways of solutioning… sometimes.
EDIT : also, my approach/suggestion is “capitalism not so bad” which isn’t in line with the zoomer way of seeing things, and they’re right for it, but not right in solving the problems they have.
i dont think this is that controversial either. it can be comfortable/have reins, like the meme exemplifies with north european countries.
my problem is that it depends entirely on the generosity of the burgeoise, and inevitably goes runaway and soon we have to bomb other countries/enslave people to keep the rich getting richer. infinite growth and stuff is hard to sustain.
I only downvoted to make sure you get the hate you expect. Your opinion is not at all controversial.
I agree with everything you said in your comment, but it seems like an odd response to this particular meme.
In this meme we have the same person saying two things:
You can’t use Norway as an example of Socialism being successful because it’s not really socialism.
We can’t have social safety nets in our country (probably the U.S. in this case) because that would be socialism, and socialism doesn’t work.
That person is not interested in helping reduce exploitation and preventing needless suffering.
That person is not arguing in good faith.
Going on intercontinental holidays to 5 star hotels off profits from low wages is how socialism for the rich works. The rich then use this fact to say socialism is bad. I’ve seen kittens do less to a ball of yarn in a fit of rage than the Plutocrats have done with people’s minds with their propaganda.
Shouldn’t you? I mean this is pretty basic fucking knowledge for some of the ways to go about it, and they are quite different. And it’s also not like you have to go 100% all in one of them either. Seems like what you want, is also the core ideology of social democracy with a strong welfare system. Here’s a thought: maybe that’s what you want, and you should care? I’m guessing that you live in a country so completely fucked in all available directions of politics, and in that process forgot what workers rights were 50 years ago.
I live in Norway. People in otherwise underpaid professions such as teaching can afford to go on intercontinental holidays. Even more than once a year, if that’s what they want to do. Though I will agree that staying at a 5 star hotel would be a silly expense. That stuff still requires the perks of exploitative capitalism, for which teaching is too useful.
Apologies if I’m being a bit rude. But the “I don’t want to care about how stuff is and works, but how stuff is and works shouldn’t be the way it is!” anti-intellectual attitude is annoying af.
No one thinks that North Korea is a ‘republic’ and ‘Communist’ China has a billionaire class. Stop getting caught up in labels.