Edit: good to see I woke the shills

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    Yeah, it was horrible. No war in the Ukraine, no war in Israel, houses were affordable and gas was under $2/gal. Absolutely despicable.

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      Do you exist purely in the present with no knowledge of how past actions create future problems?

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        I legitimately don’t think they do. Hence why when Trump got elected they said he was fixing the economy day one… because it was going up… from the things Obama did…

        They really can’t grasp that it’s not always who is president on that date. Or that somethings aren’t caused by them.

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          Are you saying Biden caused the war in Ukraine and Trump caused $2 gas, without causing $3-4 gas today?

          Do you understand that the economy has momentum that takes years to fully manifest? We don’t live in a command economy, lmao.

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              Holy shit you’re legitimately a lunatic, to be referencing fucking WE as a source.

              Either way, nothing you’ve pointed to means Trump’s terrible economic choices for short term gains and long term disaster didn’t also impact gas prices, or even the majority of the impact.

              Please, keep consuming anti-science brainrot and continue to persist in your white-supremacist echo chamber. I’m sure one day you’ll hate your way into happiness!

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                But Biden DID clamp down on domestic drilling (and canceled the Keystone pipeline). Is it anti-science to say that reducing the supply of a good will inevitably lead to rising prices?

                You can argue that he did it for a good reason (to protect the environment and increase the sales of electric vehicles, for example), but you can’t argue that he didn’t take those steps without being aware of the effect they would have on prices.

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                  Sure, he did one thing that likely did impact gas prices. That does not in any way mean that Trump’s fucking terrible economic policy isn’t a thing. It’s anti-science to deny climate change, which the WE does.

                  I never made the point that it didn’t affect gas prices, you failed to deny Trump’s impact on gas prices. This is how logic works, though I know it’s difficult for you.

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                    I never made the point that it didn’t affect gas prices, you failed to deny Trump’s impact on gas prices.

                    Huh? You argued here that Trump’s $2 gas somehow caused Biden’s $4 gas. That is patently false. Trump made decisions that increased domestic production, which lead to lower prices. Biden reversed those decisions, which drove the prices up again.

                    Again, we can argue about the environmental impact of those decisions all we want, but this is simple cause and effect. Arguing that Biden had no agency in the higher gas prices is nonsensical.

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      I remember when Biden invaded Ukraine and told Israel to attack Gaza. That was after he pulled the ‘housing price’ and ‘gas price’ levers in the White House, of course.

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        Well, Biden hasn’t done any of those things, but we need to accept the facts that he did block peace negotiations in Ukraine, he vetoed multiple ceasefires in Palestine, and he supported both conflicts by providing weapons.

        I don’t know if trump would have been better, but we gotta admit that Biden actively did a terrible job.

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        Biden’s failings are more in what he allowed to happen through inaction rather than what he directly caused.

        “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” — Hanlon’s Razor

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          Hmm… which would I rather have, someone passive that doesn’t directly cause problems or an unapologetic fascist who uses Hitler-style language in his speeches and promises to open concentration camps?

          But I’m sure you’re white, heterosexual, Christian and male, so you’ll be fine.

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      Besides what you have already been told, there already was war in both Ukraine and Israel. Ukraine’s open military conflict with Russia has been active since at least 2014, and Israel has been in conflict with Palestine and neighbours since its foundation following WW2.

      Wesern media not covering them until it was relevant to the US national interests and them not happening are entirely different things.

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        Yes, Russia invaded Crimea during Obama’s administration. Then, magically, during four years of Trump, they didn’t do anything. As soon as Biden comes into office, they’re back at it again. Weird how that works.

        There were also no major incidents in Israel or Gaza during his term. Definitely no full scale invasion. Oh, but those mean tweets!